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Re: CNN cuts off soilder critical of wars, video
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2012, 05:01:36 PM »
Good.  Idiot.  Shouldn't be talking about that kind of crap in uniform on camera.  And he's a corporal (E4) with ten years of service?  How is that?   ???

If he has said, "we wanna fight and win. blah blah blah." You wouldnt be so harsh, if at all.

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Re: CNN cuts off soilder critical of wars, video
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2012, 06:57:28 PM »
If he has said, "we wanna fight and win. blah blah blah." You wouldnt be so harsh, if at all.

I doubt he would say that, but what he shouldn't be doing is attending some political rally making speeches while in uniform. 

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Re: CNN cuts off soilder critical of wars, video
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2012, 07:17:01 PM »
Its there as much to protect soldiers as it is for the endorsement aspects etc. I loved Bush but I would never have appeared at a rally for him in uniform. I did some stuff for McCain but I never ID'd myself as a soldier.


Agreed.

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Re: CNN cuts off soilder critical of wars, video
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2012, 07:34:50 PM »
this law doesn't apply to law enforcement appearing in uniform, does it?

the lee county FL sheriff did that at the 2008 palin rally - calling out "Hussein" by name while introducing her.  Her took a lot of heat for wearing uniform while doing it.

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Re: CNN cuts off soilder critical of wars, video
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2012, 07:45:10 PM »
this law doesn't apply to law enforcement appearing in uniform, does it?






Dunno.

But there's no restrictions on men dressed in drag so you should be just fine.  Get out there and sell it.

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Re: CNN cuts off soilder critical of wars, video
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2012, 08:24:07 PM »




Dunno.

But there's no restrictions on men dressed in drag so you should be just fine.  Get out there and sell it.

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Re: CNN cuts off soilder critical of wars, video
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2012, 10:07:17 AM »
Beach...good catch and Skip...u hit hit bud. He was in uniform.....its waaaaaaaay against regs. He's a reservist and I'm not sure he'll get smoked. I would crush him, regardless of who he was supporting. This is just like Hugo bitching about the Patriot Act...turns out he was right, sort of a slippery slope.

4.1.2. A member of the Armed Forces on active duty shall not:
4.1.2.1. Participate in partisan political fundraising activities (except as permitted in subparagraph 4.1.1.7.), rallies, conventions (including making speeches in the course thereof), management of campaigns, or debates, either on one’s own behalf or on that of another, without respect to uniform or inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement. Participation includes more than mere attendance as a spectator. (See subparagraph 4.1.1.9.)
4.1.2.2. Use official authority or influence to interfere with an election, affect the course or outcome of an election, solicit votes for a particular candidate or issue, or require or solicit political contributions from others.
4.1.2.3. Allow or cause to be published partisan political articles, letters, or endorsements signed or written by the member that solicits votes for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause. This is distinguished from a letter to the editor as permitted under the conditions noted in subparagraph 4.1.1.6.
4.1.2.4. Serve in any official capacity with or be listed as a sponsor of a partisan political club.
4.1.2.5. Speak before a partisan political gathering, including any gathering that promotes a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
4.1.2.6. Participate in any radio, television, or other program or group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
4.1.2.7. Conduct a political opinion survey under the auspices of a partisan political club or group or distribute partisan political literature.
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What does that section say.

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Re: CNN cuts off soilder critical of wars, video
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2012, 10:26:38 AM »
Its there as much to protect soldiers as it is for the endorsement aspects etc. I loved Bush but I would never have appeared at a rally for him in uniform. I did some stuff for McCain but I never ID'd myself as a soldier.

Agree.  And if that dummy has ten years of service he had to know better.  It's common sense. 

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Re: CNN cuts off soilder critical of wars, video
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2012, 10:20:33 AM »
Rules restrict political activity by DOD personnel
January 5, 2012
By Donna Miles, American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON (Jan. 5, 2012) -- With election activity steadily picking up, defense officials are in the process of issuing regular election-year guidance to remind military and Defense Department civilians that they're subject to rules regulating their involvement in political activities.

This issue -- one the department regularly addresses during election periods -- came to light earlier this week after an Army Reserve Soldier in uniform appeared endorsing a political candidate.

Several sets of rules help to protect the integrity of the political process, DOD officials said. DOD Directive 1344.10 applies to members of the armed forces, whether they serve on active duty, as members of the reserve components not on active duty, as National Guard members in a non-federal status and military retirees.

In addition, the Hatch Act applies to federal civilian employees and employees also are subject to widely published DOD guidance that discusses participation in political campaigns and elections.

These rules are designed to prevent military members' or federal civilian employees' participation in political activities that imply -- or even appear to imply -- official sponsorship, approval or endorsement, officials said. The concern, they explained, is that actual or perceived partisanship could undermine the legitimacy of the military profession and department.

That's not to imply, however, that military members and civilian employees can't participate in politics. In fact, DOD has a longstanding policy of encouraging members to carry out the obligations of citizenship, officials said. DOD encourages its military and civilian members to register to vote and vote as they choose, they said. Both groups can sign nominating petitions for candidates and express their personal opinions about candidates and issues.

However, officials emphasized, they can do so only if they don't act as, or aren't perceived as, representatives of the armed forces in carrying out these activities.

Beyond that, the list of do's and dont's differs depending on whether the employee is a member of the armed forces, a career civil service employee, a political appointee or a member of the career Senior Executive Service, officials said.

Military members, for example, may attend political meetings or rallies only as spectators and not in uniform. They're not permitted to make public political speeches, serve in any official capacity in partisan groups or participate in partisan political campaigns or conventions.

They also are barred from engaging in any political activities while in uniform.

A combat engineer assigned to the 416th Theater Engineer Company potentially violated these rules Jan. 3 when he stepped onto a stage at Ron Paul's headquarters in Ankeny, Iowa, during the Iowa Caucus to offer a personal endorsement. Although he was wearing his uniform, the Soldier was not in an active status at the time, Maj. Angela Wallace, an Army Reserve spokeswoman, confirmed.

Wallace emphasized that the Soldier "stands alone in his opinions regarding his political affiliation and beliefs, and his statements and beliefs in no way reflect that of the Army Reserve."

His chain of command is aware of the issue and is considering appropriate disciplinary action to take, she said.

Most civilian DOD employees, whose political activities are governed by the Hatch Act, are permitted to be active in and speak before political gatherings and serve as officers of political parties or partisan groups, officials said. These activities, however, cannot involve fundraising.

Civilian employees also are permitted to manage campaigns, distribute literature, write political articles or serve as a spokesperson for a party or candidate.

There are, however, exceptions to this, including but not limited to Senior Executive Service.

While the do's and dont's concerning political activity may vary, the basic tenets hold true for all DOD employees.

The bottom line, officials said, is that they should steer clear of any activity that may be reasonably viewed as directly or indirectly associating DOD or the military with a partisan political activity, or that "is otherwise contrary to the spirit or intent" of the rules described.

http://www.army.mil/article/71574/Rules_restrict_political_activity_by_DOD_personnel/