SHORT CYCLES good gains-less sides

[Adam86]

real or bullshit ??

http://www.silownia.net/steroids/a/12221

As many of you already know I have had decent success with short cycles. I, along with some of my friends and clients, have had good results with cycles as short as 14 days long.

I no longer do cycles longer than 4-6 weeks as I am simply sick of the sides that build up after 4-6 weeks and I no longer feel comfortable walking around with a shitty lipid profile for months on end.


WHAT QUALIFIES AS SHORT

"In my book" any cycle 6 weeks or less is a short cycle. Personally I now think that 4 weekers give the best gains to sides ratio.

You can do 2 weeks "on" 2-4 weeks "off"
You can do 4 weeks on and 4-6 weeks off
Or you can do 6 weeks on with 6-8 weeks off.
4 weeks on and 4 weeks off, year round, gives excellent results and you are only "on" half the year.

GEAR CHOICE and RATIONAL

The idea behind short cycles is to "get in" quick, hit the androgen receptors hard, get some gains, and then get the hell out as fast as possible so as to minimize sides. So with this in mind one should only use orals and rapid acting/clearing injectables. The limited time "on' simply doesn't justify the use of the "slower" esterfied injectables like deca etc. Also, these same roids take too long to clear the system and that too goes against the philosophy of short cycles.

The gear choosen should be powerful for best results and doses need to be decent as well in order to get the most from the short time on.
You can use mild gear like anavar but your results will be reduced.

BEST Gear

d-bol
test prop
tren
anadrol

BEST stacks.

Personally I think d-bol/tren cannot be beat. There is only one roid that is better than testosterone, in the short run, IMHO and that is d-bol...too bad it's 17aa.

test prop/tren
test prop/tren/winny
test prop/anadrol
test prop/d-bol

[neocon1]

Too short. Unless u were doing test s and tren a lol. U would need very short esters. I think most people will make better gains running moderate doses for a prolonged amount of time. I've done as short as 8 wks and felt it was too short. but the only way to know is too try but u NEED short esters to run a cycle 8 wks and less and see anything. But I think 8 weeks is the least I'd do.

[Adam86]

dbol and tren a should be good for short run no?

[neocon1]

All cycles need test bro. And yep. U can do short. But I promise u. Unless ur cruising( not comming off) ur going to make better gains in the 8+ wk category. I mean why shut yourself down to only blast 4 wks ?

[Treninghard]

dont be a pussy & stay on 

[uetone]

One life cycle is the way 

[local hero]

during my competitive days this was the way we were all doing it this side of the pond, short heavyish cycles, with shortish time off

always 6 to 8 weeks....


2 to 4 weeks was only ever used for stupid mega high dose courses or shics as they were called, just to get you to a new set point, get totaly waterlogged, read into paul borressons set point theories

you didnt mix and match drugs on these shics tho,. youd hammer sus for a week, then decca then prima or watever last week, when i say hammer, im talking more than a gram per day.. i never tried, i couldnt be arsed with all the shots

[a_pupil]

during my competitive days this was the way we were all doing it this side of the pond, short heavyish cycles, with shortish time off

always 6 to 8 weeks....


2 to 4 weeks was only ever used for stupid mega high dose courses or shics as they were called, just to get you to a new set point, get totaly waterlogged, read into paul borressons set point theories

you didnt mix and match drugs on these shics tho,. youd hammer sus for a week, then decca then prima or watever last week, when i say hammer, im talking more than a gram per day.. i never tried, i couldnt be arsed with all the shots

What was the time off normally mate?

[local hero]

6 to 8 on 4 to 6 off..................... no pct, goes right against whats advised on the boards, but thats what we were doing , obviously youd end up doing 16 weeks for a show etc