Difference between sust and enan

[makaveli25]

Pet was running 2 mils of human grade sustanon ew for awhile. Switched to a good chefs enanthanate within 2-3 days notice a big increase in bloat. Under the chin especially very uncomfortable. Anyone notice a difference between the two?

[HEAVYLIFT]

I've tried human grade sustanon and testoviron 500mg per week straight from the pharmacy and noticed no difference between the 2

what I noticed - no bloat; a little increase in sex drive, a lil acne, some strength, weight and muscle gain was nothing special but the increased thickness of the physique like gh15 describes with test was great

[Overload]

I could never tell a single difference between Sust/E/C.

Prop and Susp made me have a slightly different look though.

I used to run Test E all the way up to and even throughout many BBing shows I did back in the day.  I didn't switch to using Prop until my very last show and it didn't make much of a difference at all.

[makaveli25]

Hmm wonder what's causing the bloat. I was eating real shitty for a few days I cleaned my diet up will see what happens. I tend to hold water easy.

[pillowtalk]

Hmm wonder what's causing the bloat. I was eating real shitty for a few days I cleaned my diet up will see what happens. I tend to hold water easy.

Enanthate & salt (shitty food) = bloating with water retention
You have answered your own question.
I am runnnig 500mg EOD of test E rigth now, & I weigh my salt into my meals 1gm at a time for x3 meals.
I switch to suspension when I am cutting/drying out.
I am holding a lot of water under my chin right now, but I dont look. Water is good for heavey lifting for x2 months.

PT

[Spidey]

HG Sust made my back flame up with acne. After solving that problem went back with HG Enan and no acne.

[Rearden Metal]

Pet was running 2 mils of human grade sustanon ew for awhile. Switched to a good chefs enanthanate within 2-3 days notice a big increase in bloat. Under the chin especially very uncomfortable. Anyone notice a difference between the two?

Def more bloat on enanthate. Sust has the short esters which really keep you flushing the water out. I love Pee's sustanon. Using his enanthate now and you'll get JACKED on it but def have to watch the water weight.

[chess315]

Def more bloat on enanthate. Sust has the short esters which really keep you flushing the water out. I love Pee's sustanon. Using his enanthate now and you'll get JACKED on it but def have to watch the water weight.

  Im using that also I notice much less acne and bloat then test e myself I was concerned about sustanon making it worse but hell my skin looks way better then on that test e. I'm running 1400 mg to lol boat is not that bad really

[SamsonD]

I fucking love the shit out of "sustanon".  I can run 1.2g of it with almost no sides.  If I run cyp or enanthate I can't go much over 700 or I bloat like crazy and can't get my dick hard.  You gotta dose it EOD, or at least MWF though so you are really banging the short esters.

[randy841]

Pet was running 2 mils of human grade sustanon ew for awhile. Switched to a good chefs enanthanate within 2-3 days notice a big increase in bloat. Under the chin especially very uncomfortable. Anyone notice a difference between the two?

Your pet is likely more sensitive to one ester than the other. Switch ups in esters can do that. My Shih Tzu experienced the samething mid-way through cycle - switching from Testoviron to cypionate. It blew up 10lb within a week and looked and felt very uncomfortable

[makaveli25]

Fuck I bought a couple bottles of the e oh well. I will taper up and add some masteron prop hopefully that will help. I'm going to use sustanon or prop from now on.

[Growth NOOB]

Enanthate & salt (shitty food) = bloating with water retention
You have answered your own question.
I am runnnig 500mg EOD of test E rigth now, & I weigh my salt into my meals 1gm at a time for x3 meals.
I switch to suspension when I am cutting/drying out.
I am holding a lot of water under my chin right now, but I dont look. Water is good for heavey lifting for x2 months.

PT

Any-one who reads the posts you are talking about will see that I said "I HAVE NEVER RUN MORE THAN A GRAM A WEEK EVER" & here is the = thing I haven't
I am just doing it now (250 EOD) so why is that hard to comprehend.
PT

Non stop pathetic lying from pillowbiter, yet again?

This child constantly lies so much he can't keep track of his fabrications.  He thought the thread where he posted running 500mg eod was deleted (upon his request because he is a BITCH),  so now he is claiming he only runs 250mg eod.


Which one is it you pathetic lying idiot?  You blatantly LIE and contradict yourself so much it's honestly comical.

Check out this thread to see the most brutal, and utter ownage:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=414178.100

I guarantee pillowbiter will squeal to Ron to have this thread removed like he did with his massive backfire thread where he called out tbombz and the entire board ended up shitting on pillowbiter instead for 25 pages.

 

[Overload]

Non stop pathetic lying from pillowbiter, yet again?

This child constantly lies so much he can't keep track of his fabrications.  He thought the thread where he posted running 500mg eod was deleted (upon his request because he is a BITCH),  so now he is claiming he only runs 250mg eod.


Which one is it you pathetic lying idiot?  You blatantly LIE and contradict yourself so much it's honestly comical.

Check out this thread to see the most brutal, and utter ownage:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=414178.100

I guarantee pillowbiter will squeal to Ron to have this thread removed like he did with his massive backfire thread where he called out tbombz and the entire board ended up shitting on pillowbiter instead for 25 pages.

Look, I'm not taking sides on this because I don't give two shits about your pissing match, but if you keep on bringing this crap to this board I will delete everything you post from this day forward that is not relevant to this board.  I am not for censorship, but this is pure nonsense and is against the rules.

Same thing for PT, either post relevant information or don't post here.

We don't care about his crap.

This is not the G&O board.  You can post crap like this all day long on the G&O, but not here.

I will not lock another thread, from this day forward it will be deleted.

I want you to post here, but this is just so stupid at this point i'm done trying to tell you guys to follow the rules.

[Growth NOOB]

Look, I'm not taking sides on this because I don't give two shits about your pissing match, but if you keep on bringing this crap to this board I will delete everything you post from this day forward that is not relevant to this board.  I am not for censorship, but this is pure nonsense and is against the rules.

Same thing for PT, either post relevant information or don't post here.

We don't care about his crap.

This is not the G&O board.  You can post crap like this all day long on the G&O, but not here.

I will not lock another thread, from this day forward it will be deleted.

I want you to post here, but this is just so stupid at this point i'm done trying to tell you guys to follow the rules.

I hear ya.  He did completely destroy my thread  about high dose gh with his non stop lying and insults.

I guess it really isn;t relevant to this thread, but I just wanted clarification on how pillowbiter posts on Feb 3rd that he runs 500mg eod, then on Feb 6th, he claims he never ran more than a gram a week and it's now 250mg eod.

However, I will respect your wishes and keep this to GO.  No sense in continuing to pollute the Steroid Info board with this.  My bad bro. 

[Overload]

It's all good man.

I used to do the same thing to members a few years ago.  Ask Tbombz, i used to give him a lot of shit years ago, but in the end it was a waste of time and i actually like having him around these days.

I want us to work together, not against each other.  Trust me, there are times that i want to destroy people as well, but I just don't care that much for drama these days.

Take care.

[Growth NOOB]

It's all good man.

I used to do the same thing to members a few years ago.  Ask Tbombz, i used to give him a lot of shit years ago, but in the end it was a waste of time and i actually like having him around these days.

I want us to work together, not against each other.  Trust me, there are times that i want to destroy people as well, but I just don't care that much for drama these days.

Take care.

I hope someday I can be at your level of maturity and be able to ignore pathetic, lying bastards like pillowbiter   


Thank you for being understanding though bro.  There is good information on this end of the board and I appreciate what you and the other mods do to keep it that way.  All the best my good man. 

[aesthetics]

Look, I'm not taking sides on this because I don't give two shits about your pissing match, but if you keep on bringing this crap to this board I will delete everything you post from this day forward that is not relevant to this board.  I am not for censorship, but this is pure nonsense and is against the rules.

Same thing for PT, either post relevant information or don't post here.

We don't care about his crap.

This is not the G&O board.  You can post crap like this all day long on the G&O, but not here.

I will not lock another thread, from this day forward it will be deleted.

I want you to post here, but this is just so stupid at this point i'm done trying to tell you guys to follow the rules.

you should delete everything pillowtalk posts, regardless. it's all asinine garbage.

growth noob is a good guy, you can't fault him for pillowtalk constantly harassing him.

[Arnold jr]

There really shouldn't be that much difference. A lot of people say you'll hold less water because Sust has the small Propionate ester attached, but it also has the massive Decanoate ester attached that is larger than the Enanthate ester and takes up nearly half of the mass of Sust...so on that basis, that can't be the reason people hold less water with Sust.

For whatever it's worth, the most I ever bloated in my life was using Sust, but that's because I was eating too much. Eat too much, hold water...pretty simple.

As for salt, just a side note based on another comment in this thread...of course too much salt can be a bad thing, but sodium is also necessary. I think a lot of guys have a misplaced fear of sodium...it can actually help you in certain cases. Me personally, I require a lot more salt than the average guy, for about 5 or 6 years I've had a sodium deficiency problem. I actually have to drink salt water sometimes to take care of the problem or take sodium caps. It doesn't cause me to bloat or hod water at all....it actually keeps me functioning quite well. Anyway, when I get bad muscle cramps, a quick slurp of salt water takes care of it every time.

[Growth NOOB]

you should delete everything pillowtalk posts, regardless. it's all asinine garbage.

growth noob is a good guy, you can't fault him for pillowtalk constantly harassing him.

Thank you bro.  That actually means a lot to me.  I very much appreciate that.   

[Growth NOOB]

There really shouldn't be that much difference. A lot of people say you'll hold less water because Sust has the small Propionate ester attached, but it also has the massive Decanoate ester attached that is larger than the Enanthate ester and takes up nearly half of the mass of Sust...so on that basis, that can't be the reason people hold less water with Sust.

For whatever it's worth, the most I ever bloated in my life was using Sust, but that's because I was eating too much. Eat too much, hold water...pretty simple.

As for salt, just a side note based on another comment in this thread...of course too much salt can be a bad thing, but sodium is also necessary. I think a lot of guys have a misplaced fear of sodium...it can actually help you in certain cases. Me personally, I require a lot more salt than the average guy, for about 5 or 6 years I've had a sodium deficiency problem. I actually have to drink salt water sometimes to take care of the problem or take sodium caps. It doesn't cause me to bloat or hod water at all....it actually keeps me functioning quite well. Anyway, when I get bad muscle cramps, a quick slurp of salt water takes care of it every time.

Good post bro.

In your opinion, do the esters actually have anything to do with water retention?  Do they have any tangible effect on water retention that is noticeable?  I can never really tell the difference between any test as far as water retention goes.

I actually did my first few shots of suspension and I could very much feel it kicking in.  It was actually a great feeling.  However, after the 3rd shot, I started to run a high fever and got pretty sick for 2 days.  I honestly think I had too much test in my body and I could not process it.  I am already on around 700mg sust, so I think the suspension sent me overboard.  It was awesome stuff though.  I repped 315 16 times, then did 405 9 times.  That was a personal best by far.  I feel super strong on that stuff.  It's extremely painful though.  I don;t know if I can continue, especially if it going to be making me sick.

[Arnold jr]

Good post bro.

In your opinion, do the esters actually have anything to do with water retention?  Do they have any tangible effect on water retention that is noticeable?  I can never really tell the difference between any test as far as water retention goes.

I actually did my first few shots of suspension and I could very much feel it kicking in.  It was actually a great feeling.  However, after the 3rd shot, I started to run a high fever and got pretty sick for 2 days.  I honestly think I had too much test in my body and I could not process it.  I am already on around 700mg sust, so I think the suspension sent me overboard.  It was awesome stuff though.  I repped 315 16 times, then did 405 9 times.  That was a personal best by far.  I feel super strong on that stuff.  It's extremely painful though.  I don;t know if I can continue, especially if it going to be making me sick.

When it comes to water retention actually caused by testosterone, what matters more than anything is how much of the testosterone is aromatizing and converting to estrogen. For example, a lot of guys end up holding more water with suspension than say Testosterone-Cypionate because with an equal dosing of both there's more to aromatize with Suspension. 100mg of Testosterone-Cypionate will yield approximately 69mg of usable testosterone, whereas 100mg of Suspension will yield 100mg of usable testosterone.

Another thing to consider, you can only process so much testosterone at once...the rest is converted into estrogen. Very few guys can tolerate more than 1,000mg of testosterone per wk without a high amount of aromatase. With this in mind, I also feel even with large ester based testosterone you can process smaller injections far more efficiently. For example, if I were going to run a large ester testosterone like Enanthate or Cypionate at a 1,000mg per wk dosing, I'd prefer 250mg injections every other day rather than one or two large injections per wk...you just seem to process it more efficiently.

For whatever it's worth, the best shape I've ever been in, as lean, dry and hard as I've ever been I was using Testosterone-Enanthate the entire time....250mg of Testoviron Depot every other day. I even took it as high as 250mg every day once, same Testoviron Depot, and while I held a little more water and it was a bit more difficult to handle, but I was still in fairly decent shape.

[Growth NOOB]

When it comes to water retention actually caused by testosterone, what matters more than anything is how much of the testosterone is aromatizing and converting to estrogen. For example, a lot of guys end up holding more water with suspension than say Testosterone-Cypionate because with an equal dosing of both there's more to aromatize with Suspension. 100mg of Testosterone-Cypionate will yield approximately 69mg of usable testosterone, whereas 100mg of Suspension will yield 100mg of usable testosterone.

Another thing to consider, you can only process so much testosterone at once...the rest is converted into estrogen. Very few guys can tolerate more than 1,000mg of testosterone per wk without a high amount of aromatase. With this in mind, I also feel even with large ester based testosterone you can process smaller injections far more efficiently. For example, if I were going to run a large ester testosterone like Enanthate or Cypionate at a 1,000mg per wk dosing, I'd prefer 250mg injections every other day rather than one or two large injections per wk...you just seem to process it more efficiently.

For whatever it's worth, the best shape I've ever been in, as lean, dry and hard as I've ever been I was using Testosterone-Enanthate the entire time....250mg of Testoviron Depot every other day. I even took it as high as 250mg every day once, same Testoviron Depot, and while I held a little more water and it was a bit more difficult to handle, but I was still in fairly decent shape.

Great info.  Thanks bro.

I agree with you on more frequent, smaller dose shots.  However, I feel like the older I get, the easier I burn out on ed or eod shots.  It just gets to be too much and I build up too much scar tissue.  Now I opt for longer esters for the most part with 2 shots per week.