do body proportions dictate knee travel in full squats?

[GoneAway]

Knee beyond toes dictates less pressure on the thighs. Knees held static will put full pressure on the thighs as only the knee (and partial hip) joint are rotating.

[purenaturalstrength]

see this is what i'm talking about

knees go way in front


but i see no other way for him to sit at the bottom without completely releasing the back pressure




his back is not even that tight, if he would actually arch it his knee would go even more forward

[jon cole]

see what i don't understand about squatting


you squat all the way down and keep the lower back tight as hell


how is it possible for the knees not to travel a huge amount in front of the toes unless you are falling backwards...




and yet tall guys like mikhail koklyaev (6'4") can squat all the way down without knees going in front of toes


i dont get it

it's like a magic trick


the only way to make the knees not go forward would be by sitting back so far you nearly fall over or are rounding your back like a question mark

basically i wonder, does it matter if your knees go a big amount to the front as long as you are sitting straight down with a tight back?

that question boggled my mind too...

ed coan's knee are locked and don't go forward...
andrei malanichev's knee are going forward a lot...

they both squat over 1000.

locking the knee is simply impossible for me, i've got long femur and short tibia; i'm 6.3, , in regular squat it force me to sit back to far and make my upper back bend forward too.

so to answer to your question, while squatting think about putting the weight on your ankle, and pushing it with them, don't place the weight or push it with yout toes...your knee will go less forward.



leverage are everything in squat dl and bench.

i'm 6.3, during my first squat session i litterraly collapse with 135 lbs.

years ago my buddy, who was only 16 y.o, was 5.6, with perfect bone structure, squatted 300lbs during is first session, he was only shaking a little bit because of inexperience...few month later he was squatting 300 for 20 reps...on the contrary he was a shitty deadlifter.

being strong in the big three is a matter of leverage.

[jon cole]

I have always told clients that I train when squatting or lunging, not to pay any attention to that knee beyond toe bullshit.

I don`t think it warrants all the hype it gets,just more fitness BS put out there by some twink with a big blue rubber fucking ball.

look at Olympic lifters when they drop into a squat snatch.

words of wisdom.

my knee are beyond my toes, and it's the only way for me to squat.

[Super Natural]

words of wisdom.

my knee are beyond my toes, and it's the only way for me to squat.

X2

[Sherief Shalaby]

IMO you knees must not pass your toes in smith squats only and this is why you must locate your feet in front of your torso level but in normal squats it's impossible!!..

[Sherief Shalaby]

not impossible!!.. i will try this next time and see

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[Samourai Pizzacat]

Toddlers are the best natural squatters.  The difference between their proportions and adult proportions might hold a clue to the answer.  (Besides flexibility issues.)

LOL @noggin

[Krankenstein]

this is a wrong cue for olympic squats


olympic squats are about sitting straight down "in between your legs"

Olympic squats?

Why dont you use good ol' google....elitefts.com and squat technique....

[purenaturalstrength]

not impossible!!.. i will try this next time and see

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yeah that is possible if you only go parallel

but once you go all the way down the hips will be basically over the ankle joint and guess where that puts the knees

[_bruce_]

Toddlers are the best natural squatters.  The difference between their proportions and adult proportions might hold a clue to the answer.  (Besides flexibility issues.)

Haha - great example!

Vid is also a good hint.

[B_B_C]

this is not a realistic position where you can keeop a barbell balanced would fall backwards this way AND the back is not tight at all this is why he can manage to keep the shins so vertical

ok forget the bar for a moment
are you able to get in to the same squat position as the illustrated child?
If you are sit in it for a few moments and feel the way your weight transmitts to the ground
Not all the weight will go to the heel - there are two arches in the foot : the arch from heel to toes and the arch from little to big toe so in effect the foot is a tripod load with idealy equal weight to heel and toes however many if not most people tend to lean forward so. In addition you could also consider how much you can fold yourself in two (again Im assuming some yoga understanding) The squat like many weight lifting movements is not a natural lift but does call for the flexibility of many everyday movements but in one combined movement.
When in the above "babysquat" position dont stay there too long - baby moves in and out in the time we think about it

[Dr Dutch]

it looks like a magic trick

Don't worry about it, it's just your lousy genetics. It doesn't make you a bad person, PNS....

[purenaturalstrength]

i've been pondering about this all day

i think it's basically the proportion of your torso length to your femur length

short torso long femur=>upright position in the squat with pronounced inclination of the shin bones and thus larger knee travel forward


long torso short femur=>shins pretty vertical and so hardly any knee travel but torso much more inclined than the other guy

there is no other way think about it


i figured it out all by myself

[B_B_C]

i figured it out all by myself

probably explains those rhetorical, sometimes self justifying, threads you post

[purenaturalstrength]

probably explains those rhetorical, sometimes self justifying, threads you post

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