V6 Mustangs and Camaros

[Nirvana]

You people have no class. All you think about is how much you can get for the least mount of money. Works great for toilet paper, not for a car.

epic keeping up with the jonses and trying to pretend money stands for something when you have nothing else.

of course people want the best bang for their buck, it's not low class, it's intelligent.  

[Shockwave]

Im not sure, probably similar to some of the cars that run events like the Texas Mile with that amount of power. Many break the 200mph barrier in the Mile.

*EDIT*
The official pro stock record stands at 213 mph in the quarter mile. So yeah, itd be pretty crazy. But I dont know how long those motors would last over a long distance. They turn quite a bit of RPM, to the tune of around 10k I believe.

[Shockwave]

epic keeping up with the jonses and trying to pretend money stands for something when you have nothing else.

of course people want the best bang for their buck, it's not low class, it's intelligent.  

Are you trying to say that paying more than double for similar or inferior performance and a name is somehow un-intelligent? Say it aint so!

[oldtimer1]

Im not sure, probably similar to some of the cars that run events like the Texas Mile with that amount of power. Many break the 200mph barrier in the Mile.

In pro stock they break 220 in a short quarter mile with gearing for acceleration and low 6 second quarters. I was thinking more than 275 with the right gearing.

[oldtimer1]

*EDIT*
The official pro stock record stands at 213 mph in the quarter mile. So yeah, itd be pretty crazy. But I dont know how long those motors would last over a long distance. They turn quite a bit of RPM, to the tune of around 10k I believe.

I just watched a youtube where a Pro stock hit 223 in the quarter.

[Shockwave]

I just watched a youtube where a Pro stock hit 223 in the quarter.

In competition? Or just testing? According to their website its 213 in actual competition.
And was it NHRA pro stock, or one of the other classes?
NHRA has a 500ci limit, the others dont have such a limit. Some of the other Pro Stock classes have motors as big as 800-900ci.

[mr.turbo]

OP, I agree. It makes it even worse when they have dual exhaust and it sounds like a fucking bumble bee.

[Parker]

In pro stock they break 220 in a short quarter mile with gearing for acceleration and low 6 second quarters. I was thinking more than 275 with the right gearing.

Possibly, but aero has to come into play. If the car has a huge frontal area, it will be harder. Downforce, lift, all these come into play. I don't know what they do in the wind tunnel, or what they set the goals for. But, a "theorical" top speed is different that actual top speed.

I believe what they need to do is take many of those cars and see what they run on the Salt Flats.

[Shockwave]

Possibly, but aero has to come into play. If the car has a huge frontal area, it will be harder. Downforce, lift, all these come into play. I don't know what they do in the wind tunnel, or what they set the goals for. But, a "theorical" top speed is different that actual top speed.

I believe what they need to do is take many of those cars and see what they run on the Salt Flats.

Pro-stock now days are pretty aerodynamic. The forward facing scoops supposedly actually create a couple PSI of positive pressure (above atmospheric), kind of like a little mini-power adder.

Salt Flats would be cool, but again, those motors only run 6-ish seconds at a time. Im not sure they'd last on the flats, with the kind of RPM they turn and the crazy valve spring pressures they run.

[Parker]

Pro-stock now days are pretty aerodynamic. The forward facing scoops supposedly actually create a couple PSI of positive pressure (above atmospheric), kind of like a little mini-power adder.

Salt Flats would be cool, but again, those motors only run 6-ish seconds at a time. Im not sure they'd last on the flats, with the kind of RPM they turn and the crazy valve spring pressures they run.

I think it would be very interesting. As you know, F1 their aero is set up for max downforce. High rpm engines. Tracks are set up for cornering, braking, tires, not straight speed.
So, technically, they would top out quicker than a Pro Stock car on the Salt flats, due to the aero pushing the car down, and increasing drag.
Cars like the old GT1 class cars from the late 90s (911 GT1, Mclaren F1 GTR Longtail, Mercedes CLK GTR)
would do well, with their flat bottoms, longish designs, they were built for top speed, but their wings would create drag...and then there is the gearing...

it would be a unique experience to see all these classes on The flats, with the bugs worked out with gearing, engines as you said.

[3Dkiller]

Americans should stick with making weapons instead of cars..  leave the cars to Europeans and Japanese

[GigantorX]

Americans should stick with making weapons instead of cars..  leave the cars to Europeans and Japanese

Oh brother....

[Irongrip400]

V6's sound like shit plain and simple. A V8 with duals and flow masters sounds like a fucking bad ass machine. It's weird though, my brother has a ducati and it sounds like a dragster. Don't know why they can't make a V6 sound like that.

[Shockwave]

V6's sound like shit plain and simple. A V8 with duals and flow masters sounds like a fucking bad ass machine. It's weird though, my brother has a ducati and it sounds like a dragster. Don't know why they can't make a V6 sound like that.

Cubic inches, RPM turned, size/length of exhaust, size/length of ports in heads and intake, size of cam etc etc etc.

Plus the American V6 models are usually based around people buying economy, so theyre not really designed for the "performance enthusiast".

A lot of the sound you hear out of a motor is simply how much air is going through the cylinder and out the exhaust. (after all, all an engine is, is an air pump, the more air stuffed in the cylinders, the more fuel needed to burn the mixture, the more power made, the more exhaust gasses pumped out) The more air flowing, generally the "better" we think it to sound.
Mufflers simply change the tone and quiet the motor down.

(Yes I realize im dumbing it down slightly, but I think its pretty accurate)

[hematocritter]

V6's sound like shit plain and simple. A V8 with duals and flow masters sounds like a fucking bad ass machine. It's weird though, my brother has a ducati and it sounds like a dragster. Don't know why they can't make a V6 sound like that.

I agree that most other engines sound better than V6's, but some of them are not bad at all. Many American V6's sound like crap because they are just V8's with 2 cylinders knocked off. GM's best sounding V6 is their DOHC 3.4,
sounds pretty good in this Ferrari replica.....

The 1mz-fe V6 found in older Solaras and Lexus ES300's sounds pretty decent.

Peugeot V6

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When people try to open them up and make them really loud, they usually sound like crap. Having a decent, quiet exhaust system on them gives them a clean sound IMO.