The imaginary organ donor "lists"

[BayGBM]

Mostly this. But black market IS a reality for the very wealthy few....

Abroad certainly, but this is not common in the United States.  US hospitals have strict rules about organ transplants, the facility where the transplant takes place, where the organ comes from, etc.

[King Shizzo]

Great movie,this ones good to http://www.google.com/search?q=turistas+wiki&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

Another factor of getting a donor is how good your insurance is, the better the insurance the higher on the "list" you go. If your insurance gives the doc a pre approval letter to cover the surgery you jump all the people who's insurance did not. "cash patients" are last unless they pay in full up front which for everything would be a couple hundred grand cash. The hospital knows the "cash patients" that aren't paying the whole thing up front will prob just make the initial deposit and not pay the rest that's why they go last.

It's amazing how people's lives are deduced to numbers on a piece of paper.  "Your in good hands with All-State".

[BayGBM]

I didn't say conspiracy per se, I meant to get to the bottom of what a "list" meant.  If you are a middle class person who needs a donor, you are going to be shit out of luck.  

If you're a middle class person who needs almost anything you are shirt out of luck.  What's you're point?  The point of becoming wealthy is to give yourself access to products, services, and privileges that you (or the person of modest means) otherwise would not have.  You seem to be assuming that there is some inherent fairness in this (or any other) process in life.  There isn't.  You are old enough to know better.  

[Shockwave]

If you're a middle class person who needs almost anything you are shirt out of luck.  What's you're point?  The point of becoming wealthy is to give yourself access to products, services, and privileges that you (or the person of modest means) otherwise would not have.  You seem to be assuming that there is some inherent fairness in this (or any other) process in life.  There isn't.  You are old enough to know better.  

Brutal, but spot on.

[King Shizzo]

If you're a middle class person who needs almost anything you are shirt out of luck.  What's you're point?  The point of becoming wealthy is to give yourself access to products, services, and privileges that you (or the person of modest means) otherwise would not have.  You seem to be assuming that there is some inherent fairness in this (or any other) process in life.  There isn't.  You are old enough to know better.  

You are right.  The old saying "Life isn't fair" applies.

[POB]

It's amazing how people's lives are deduced to numbers on a piece of paper.  "Your in good hands with All-State".

Lol, at all-state they try not to pay for anything by far the worst...

[Dr Dutch]

Holland is, with Scandinavia, about the most ethical/politically correct country in this matter. Everybody got the same rights when it comes to things like this. All Dutch got the same basic insurance, which covers transplants 100%.

It's not my field of medicine, but some buddies of mine who are reliable told me that there really is a black market/out-of-the-list circuit...even in Holland. Let alone other countries.

But I am not a hypocrit...if my child can only survive with a transplant, I won't ask questions if I can buy something that will save his/her life.....c'mon.

[avxo]

I work with liver transplant patients on a daily basis.

Of course these lists actually exist. To suggest otherwise is idiocy.

With liver there are situations that would exclude you from a transplant or significantly reduce your ability to get one. For instance if you had another malignancy such as breast cancer you would be less of a candidate than someone who was otherwise healthy. It gets more complicated then that even considering liver function, cause (alcohol versus otherwise) etc. etc. etc.

The same goes for kidneys. Nicorulez could speak on this more than I since he is a nephrologist.

DA would seem to be a high candidate for a renal transplant. Young and without a personal history of cancer.

The ethical dilemna of course that he brought this all on himself by abusing drugs (AAS, Narcotics and otherwise) is (thankfully for him) not an issue in the transplant priority list.

Of course, if you have a living donor (brother, sister, mother who will give you a kidney) you are not on the list.

To add to this otherwise excellent post,  no, you don't go "on the bottom". The matching isn't a linear top-to-bottom scan.

A number of factors are evaluated. You may be on the list for months and not get an organ. For years even. And you may be on the list for minutes.

[Krankenstein]

I would hope that, for example...a child vs. DA needs a kidney.....they look at DA and say "sorry fuck-o....you did this to yourself...."

[Big Chiro Flex]

Of course there is a waiting list. But when Obama or Madonna needs a heart, they either make up some medical reason to treat them first ("his rare genetic make-up just matched the donor heart available that day") or they will get one on the black market, and you don't wanna know where those organs come from. I know it: from the 20,000 Chinese prisoners executed each year..

WOW

[ether]

Holland is, with Scandinavia, about the most ethical/politically correct country in this matter. Everybody got the same rights when it comes to things like this. All Dutch got the same basic insurance, which covers transplants 100%.

It's not my field of medicine, but some buddies of mine who are reliable told me that there really is a black market/out-of-the-list circuit...even in Holland. Let alone other countries.

But I am not a hypocrit...if my child can only survive with a transplant, I won't ask questions if I can buy something that will save his/her life.....c'mon.

Most black market organs come from china

I have seen patients flat out rejected for liver transplant due to their extent of tumor who have gone to China and been transplanted successfully only to have the tumor return in full force less than a year later

Younger patients do have priority but DA is considered young in medicine

He will lose major exeption points since he has AIDS though, that is a fact

[Big Chiro Flex]

Most black market organs come from china

I have seen patients flat out rejected for liver transplant due to their extent of tumor who have gone to China and been transplanted successfully only to have the tumor return in full force less than a year later

Younger patients do have priority but DA is considered young in medicine

He will lose major exeption points since he has AIDS though, that is a fact

Are you a GP, Ether?

[ether]

Are you a GP, Ether?

No.
Much more specialized training.
Most GPs have no clue how to work up or manage transplant patients

[The Abdominal Snoman]

If DA really is of GGewish bloodline, that brings other factors into the mix.

[hazbin]

The world is shrouded in secrets.  We could only imagine what the "inner circle" really knows.  We are all pawns in a game of chess that never ends.

william carr

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Most black market organs come from china

I have seen patients flat out rejected for liver transplant due to their extent of tumor who have gone to China and been transplanted successfully only to have the tumor return in full force less than a year later

Younger patients do have priority but DA is considered young in medicine

He will lose major exeption points since he has AIDS though, that is a fact

DA's real birth certificate has him at 49 years old

[POB]

I would hope that, for example...a child vs. DA needs a kidney.....they look at DA and say "sorry fuck-o....you did this to yourself...."

X2

[andreisdaman]

healthy inmates with no family to worry about them disappear all the time, and some important person just happens to get the organ he or she needs at the same time the inmate disappears . it happens in real life not only in movies

not true..but an intriguing thought..