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Re: Sweet - Obama deal allowes GM to pay no taxes at all.
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2012, 12:16:59 PM »
Despite Fair Share Slogan Obama and Friends Pay Less
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President Obama has made a reelection point of complaining that “big oil” receives tax breaks and that individuals and corporations need to pay “their fair share”. Critics point out that the term is ambiguous and cannot be used for budgeting however it can be useful in campaign ads. Research into public documents indicates that General Motors paid no taxes in 2011, despite being touted as a success story of the administration which took over a 60% interest in GM in 2009.

Similarly, General Electric, whose CEO, Jeffery Immelt, is a senior adviser to the council on jobs and competitiveness to President Obama, paid no corporate taxes in 2011, even though GE recorded profits of $14.2 billion last year.

And then there's Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway corporation. Mr. Buffet has publicly supported the President's “fair share” mantra, complaining that his secretary pay a higher tax rate than he does, but Berkshire Hathaway has been fighting the IRS for going on 10 years to avoid paying almost $1 billion in taxes.

In fact, regarding the President's own taxes, an analysis indicates that he and his wife paid an effective tax rate of around 20% by utilizing deductions in the tax code. Although the deductions are perfectly legal, there is no IRS requirement to take them, and if the President truly wanted to pay his “fair share” he could have simply not taken those deductions, just as Mr. Buffet could have paid his “fair share” by writing a check to the IRS for whatever amount he felt would be appropriate.

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Re: Sweet - Obama deal allowes GM to pay no taxes at all.
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2012, 06:34:16 AM »
Government Motors: As GM shares near record low, taxpayer loss on bailout rises to $35 billion


By ED CARSON
Posted 08:26 AM ET





Assembly line workers assemble Chevy Volt electric vehicles at the General Motors Detroit Hamtramck Assembly Plant in Hamtramck, Michigan. AP View Enlarged Image

To quote Lando Calrissian, this deal's getting worse all the time.

General Motors(GM) shares fell to a fresh 2012 closing low of 19.57 on Monday. The stock hit 19 in mid-December, the lowest since the auto giant came public at $33 in November 2010 following its June 2009 bankruptcy.

Normally you might say, tough luck investors. But this is Government Motors. The Treasury still owns 26.5% of GM, or 500 million shares. Taxpayers are still out $26.4 billion in direct aid. Shares would have to hit $53 for the government to break even.

Those shares were worth about $9.8 billion as of Monday. That would leave taxpayers with a loss of $16.6 billion.

 
But that's not the full tally. Obama let GM keep $45 billion in past losses to offset future profits. Those are usually wiped out or slashed, along with debts, in bankruptcy. But the administration essentially gifted $45 billion in write-offs (book value $18 billion) to GM. So when GM earned a $7.6 billion profit in 2011 (more on that below), it paid no taxes.

 
Include that $18 billion gift, and taxpayers' true loss climbs to nearly $35 billion.

Of course, there's no chance that the Obama administration will sell off its GM stake before Election Day. That would force Obama to recognize actual losses, which would remind voters that the bailout was a massive transfer from taxpayers to unions.

Union workers did make sacrifices in bankruptcy, but not nearly enough. GM only narrowed the labor cost gap vs. what Japanese automakers pay their workers. Given that Toyota(TM) still enjoys a price premium over similar GM vehicles, the U.S. auto giant needs a labor cost advantage, not near-parity. And Toyota has relatively high costs. Volkswagen(VLKAY) pays workers at its new Tennessee plant only about half what GM does.

The Volt hybrid was supposed to provide a green veneer to GM's entire lineup, like the Prius has done for Toyota. Instead, the Volt has been a p.r. disaster following fires and anemic sales that led to a temporary production halt earlier this year.

GM's market share and profits got an artificial boost in 2011 as Japan's earthquake and Thailand's massive floods wrecked havoc with supply chains for Toyota and other Japanese automakers. But with Toyota back on track and VW and Hyundai aggressively expanding in America, GM is rapidly losing share in 2012.

Overall U.S. auto sales were strong to start the year, but that momentum has faded along with slowing economic growth and hiring. Falling gas prices also may reduce the incentive to replace aging cars and trucks with higher-mileage vehicles. Automakers release U.S. June vehicle sales on Tuesday.

And the U.S. currently is the garden spot of Ceti Alpha 6 for auto sales.

Europe has become a sinkhole. The auto industry faced chronic overcapacity in Europe before the debt crisis erupted because national politics make it very hard to close any money-losing plant in any country. With Italy and Spain on the brink of a meltdown, auto sales in those countries are in freefall.

Ford(F) last week warned of major losses in Europe and other overseas markets.

GM has done well in China, now the world's No. 1 auto market, but that  economic growth is slowing there too. Meanwhile several big cities, including Beijing and Shanghai, are capping new car registrations to fight massive gridlock.
 
So don't expect GM's prospects to improve significantly in the near term. Obama says he saved GM and the U.S. auto industry for the "long term". But using taxpayer dollars to prop up a high-cost, low-premium producer in a mature market isn't a foundation for success.

 
Andrew Malcolm is on vacation. You can follow Ed Carson on Twitter (@EdCarson1) or Facebook.

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Re: Sweet - Obama deal allowes GM to pay no taxes at all.
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2012, 07:00:57 AM »
So he not a commie now?

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Re: Sweet - Obama deal allowes GM to pay no taxes at all.
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2012, 09:32:34 AM »
So he not a commie now?

marxist, communist, socialist, and capitalisr pig at whim of wall street = all mean the same thing, silly goose.

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Re: Sweet - Obama deal allowes GM to pay no taxes at all.
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2012, 02:34:04 AM »
marxist, communist, socialist, and capitalisr pig at whim of wall street = all mean the same thing, silly goose.

Hmm spreading the wealth upward?