Hormone replacement versus steriods.

[dr.chimps]

Ah, I see.

My feeling, is the line, if we have to define it, would be when your circulating testosterone levels become higher than your highest natural level.

Peak natural test level or less = HRT
Peak level or more = Juicing

Seems reasonable, yes?

Fair enough. Problem is, BB'ing involves, like, 00- x your normal test levels, and then let's add some supra-levels of steroids.   

[Shockwave]

Fair enough. Problem is, BB'ing involves, like, 00- x your normal test levels, and then let's add some supra-levels of steroids.   

This is true, but the term juicing is not synonymous with BB. Id venture to say juicing is far more widespread in other areas.

[Heywood]

As soon as you take a growth drug with the hopes of size or strength, it's  juicing.

Bullshit yourself all you want.

If you're 90 years old and taking it because the doctor needs the hospital bed, then I think you're safe.....

[deadz]

Hrt=steroids=steroids=hrt. Stupid thread.

[dr.chimps]

This is true, but the term juicing is not synonymous with BB. Id venture to say juicing is far more widespread in other areas.

Sigh. Oh course, it is. 'Juicing' is popular because it works. I get it, but arguing with thelamefalshood just makes me feel tired all over. I mean, how do you
talk to a wall?    

[Shockwave]

Sigh. Oh course, it is. 'Juicing' is popular because it works. I get it, but arguing with thelamefalshood just makes me feel tired all over. I mean, how do you
talk to a wall?    

With a sledgehammer?

[thelamefalsehood]

Sigh. Oh course, it is. 'Juicing' is popular because it works. I get it, but arguing with thelamefalshood just makes me feel tired all over. I mean, how do you
talk to a wall?    

Seriously? Because I am correct and you are completely wrong, I'm the idiot?

Last time old man, any FDA approved anabolic is legal for sale by an HRT clinic, whether they prescribe them or not is up to them.

And irregardless if you take 200mg or 2000mg of test, it's still a steroid. This "wall" just owned you old man.

[dr.chimps]

Seriously? Because I am correct and you are completely wrong, I'm the idiot?

Last time old man, any FDA approved anabolic is legal for sale by an HRT clinic, whether they prescribe them or not is up to them.

And irregardless if you take 200mg or 2000mg of test, it's still a steroid. This "wall" just owned you old man.

I'm guessing 20-24. Ego and idiocy usually clash real hard at that age. You take care, tlfh, now. Let's talk when you get a bit older. Cripes.

[Natural Man]

how did men manage to live without hrt in the past? Why would one need external artificial hormones to be injected in his body considering human body hasnt been designed for it? It's basically another anti depressant to say it like it is , by the way.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Anything less than 1000mgs of test a week is natty. Don't let anyone tell you other wise.

I always thought the rule was you can use as much of whatever you want and remain natty...as long as its all short ester?


 

[phreak]

If I cared about what others thought, I'd have  alot more room in my crawl space

Quoted for brilliance!

[Dreadlifter]

Exogenous testosterone is exogenous testosterone. How many guys, trainers and non-trainers, on HRT would scoff at some BB juiced to the hilt without realising fundamentally they're doing the same thing? I'd bet way too many.

[BigCyp]

I felt more ashamed when I was giving bicep wanks to schmoes for HRT, than when it was for steriods.

[da_vinci]

Obviously hrt makes sense if your over 30 my point is what would be a more acceptable blow to your reputation. Being in your 20's with low test levels, or being a user of drugs.

There's hardly a need for a hrt if you are healthy male under 40-45yo. Most would get results of a perfect test levels.

[Palpatine Q]

HRT=  steroids.

testosterone cypionate is an anabolic steroid. if you inject this into your body, either in a bathroom stall, or under the supervision of a doctor....you have injected anabolic steroids into your body...period. you may not be PJ braun, but you are ON STEROIDS, just low dose steroids.

the's like saying the guy on oxycontin that gets a scrip from his Dr isn't a junkie, but the guy buying the pills from a drug dealer is...it's a bullshit argument

[Big Chiro Flex]

how did men manage to live without hrt in the past? Why would one need external artificial hormones to be injected in his body considering human body hasnt been designed for it? It's basically another anti depressant to say it like it is , by the way.

Modern science allows us to improve our quality of life as we age. This is a positive thing, and a miracle. Are you aware of the health risks associated with low testosterone levels? It's not something to laugh at. I figured someone of your age and wisdom would know this...

[thelamefalsehood]

I'm guessing 20-24. Ego and idiocy usually clash real hard at that age. You take care, tlfh, now. Let's talk when you get a bit older. Cripes.

Filt? Haha. I'm 35 you degenerate a-hole. I've forgotten more about this subject than you have ever known in the first place.

[Krankenstein]

Seriously? Because I am correct and you are completely wrong, I'm the idiot?

Last time old man, any FDA approved anabolic is legal for sale by an HRT clinic, whether they prescribe them or not is up to them.

And irregardless if you take 200mg or 2000mg of test, it's still a steroid. This "wall" just owned you old man.

Yes, you are the idiot as there is no such word as that which is in bold.