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Re: Post-Obama predictions...
« Reply #50 on: July 31, 2012, 09:44:25 AM »
Everything that's happening is happening by design.  People need to be controlled.  How do you do this?  Controlling them by brute force went away with the industrialization age.  Control them with debt.  Flush cheap goods bought with an unbacked fiat currency onto the market and let human nature do its thing.  Devalue the money slowly so personal debt creation moves from being a luxury item (80s), to everyday tool (90s), to necessity to live (2000s).
 Debt is slavery. 

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Re: Post-Obama predictions...
« Reply #51 on: July 31, 2012, 11:05:43 AM »
Everything that's happening is happening by design.  People need to be controlled.  How do you do this?  Controlling them by brute force went away with the industrialization age.  Control them with debt.  Flush cheap goods bought with an unbacked fiat currency onto the market and let human nature do its thing.  Devalue the money slowly so personal debt creation moves from being a luxury item (80s), to everyday tool (90s), to necessity to live (2000s).
 Debt is slavery. 

There was debt in the 1950's and 1960's. There have been many recessions over the years as well.

Don't believe everything you read in the media. I live in Oregon, which is reported to be one of the hardest hit states with continuing high unemployment. About a mile from my house is this year's Street of Dreams http://www.streetofdreamspdx.com/ . Almost all of these million dollar plus houses were sold before they were even completed. A little closer to me is another housing development where the house prices range from $450,000 to $650,000. The development is about a year old. All but one lot has been built or being built on and is sold. A couple of weeks ago my wife and I went to a new upscale restaurant for brunch. We had to wait almost an hour to get in because it was that crowded. Apparently, people are doing pretty well on unemployment or perhaps not as many people are unemployed as the media would have us believe.

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Re: Post-Obama predictions...
« Reply #52 on: July 31, 2012, 11:09:38 AM »
Everything that's happening is happening by design.  People need to be controlled.  How do you do this?  Controlling them by brute force went away with the industrialization age.  Control them with debt.  Flush cheap goods bought with an unbacked fiat currency onto the market and let human nature do its thing.  Devalue the money slowly so personal debt creation moves from being a luxury item (80s), to everyday tool (90s), to necessity to live (2000s).
 Debt is slavery. 
  I agree. But who is running this calculated system?

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Re: Post-Obama predictions...
« Reply #53 on: July 31, 2012, 11:33:49 AM »
There was debt in the 1950's and 1960's. There have been many recessions over the years as well.

Don't believe everything you read in the media. I live in Oregon, which is reported to be one of the hardest hit states with continuing high unemployment. About a mile from my house is this year's Street of Dreams http://www.streetofdreamspdx.com/ . Almost all of these million dollar plus houses were sold before they were even completed. A little closer to me is another housing development where the house prices range from $450,000 to $650,000. The development is about a year old. All but one lot has been built or being built on and is sold. A couple of weeks ago my wife and I went to a new upscale restaurant for brunch. We had to wait almost an hour to get in because it was that crowded. Apparently, people are doing pretty well on unemployment or perhaps not as many people are unemployed as the media would have us believe.

I lived in central Oregon for years before moving to Texas in 2012.  The economy was tanking because the California money that rolled in in the 90's pulled back leaving mom and pop home contractors holding their nuts.  All business was retail.  just went back to visit, fat white people at every stop light with their hand out.  Commercial leasing available signs everywhere.  DIdn't get to enjoy the high state income tax though....

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Re: Post-Obama predictions...
« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2012, 06:37:48 PM »
I lived in central Oregon for years before moving to Texas in 2012.  The economy was tanking because the California money that rolled in in the 90's pulled back leaving mom and pop home contractors holding their nuts.  All business was retail.  just went back to visit, fat white people at every stop light with their hand out.  Commercial leasing available signs everywhere.  DIdn't get to enjoy the high state income tax though....

Yeah, I see those folks at freeway on ramps looking for a handout. There's this one fellow whose been working the on ramp to the 205 right near Clackamas Town Center for the past 5 years. He's probably in his 20's or 30's, always wears green and stashes his bicycle in the bushes near where he's hustling folks for spare change. He must do alright or he is just nuts to keep showing up everyday for all this time.

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Re: Post-Obama predictions...
« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2012, 08:54:43 PM »
I lived in central Oregon for years before moving to Texas in 2012.  The economy was tanking because the California money that rolled in in the 90's pulled back leaving mom and pop home contractors holding their nuts.  All business was retail.  just went back to visit, fat white people at every stop light with their hand out.  Commercial leasing available signs everywhere.  DIdn't get to enjoy the high state income tax though....

Sounds serious. You should move to Ashland.
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Re: Post Obama predictions...
« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2012, 09:21:20 PM »
You aren't American, are you? I can't really understand where you are going with this one.
Doesnt matter who's in power, rich get richer, poor get poorer, those of us in the middle keep fighting for a bigger piece of the pie.
Thats life.

It's always been this way and it always will be...

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Re: Post Obama predictions...
« Reply #57 on: July 31, 2012, 10:00:10 PM »
You aren't American, are you? I can't really understand where you are going with this one.
Doesnt matter who's in power, rich get richer, poor get poorer, those of us in the middle keep fighting for a bigger piece of the pie.
Thats life.

When you look back through history, every so often, like with the French revolution, the poor get fed up with the rich and all hell breaks loose. So just because it seems like the rich have always gotten richer, the poor poorer and those in the middle just kept fighting, don't count on this always being the case. Supposedly the middle-class is ever shrinking. Were do these people go? I suspect most didn't suddenly become rich, which means there are more poor people....angry poor people.

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Re: Post-Obama predictions...
« Reply #58 on: August 01, 2012, 04:49:42 AM »
Anyone who uses "socialism" to describe Obama or his policies both 1. Doesn't know what "socialism" is, 2. Doesn't know anything about Obama, and 3. Is a certified idiot who should be dismissed without further consideration.

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Re: Post-Obama predictions...
« Reply #59 on: August 01, 2012, 04:52:35 AM »
Anyone who uses "socialism" to describe Obama or his policies both 1. Doesn't know what "socialism" is, 2. Doesn't know anything about Obama, and 3. Is a certified idiot who should be dismissed without further consideration.


LOL. 

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Re: Post-Obama predictions...
« Reply #60 on: August 01, 2012, 06:18:47 AM »

LOL.  

Correct - I prefer Communism or Neo-Fascism to be honest.  

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Mitt Romney’s Path To Electoral College Victory Is Still Very Narrow
Doug Mataconis   ·   Monday, July 30, 2012  


As of today there are 99 days left until Election Day and, just as was the case several months ago, while the national polls remain tight and there are signs that the state of the economy continues to hurt the President, the path to victory for Mitt Romney remains very precarious and, some might say, unlikely:

   President Obama has an overall edge in the 12 decisive battleground states that is measurably greater than his advantage in national polling.

    The dynamic, which may reflect a combination of lower swing-state unemployment rates and demographic advantages for the president, is causing stirrings of unease among Republicans, even as they emphasize that it is important not to read too much into the state of the race right now.

    “Obama is concentrating his considerable early resources and messaging in the swing states, and it’s had an impact,” said Mark McKinnon, who served as a media adviser for President George W. Bush’s presidential campaigns.
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    The crucial battleground states number about a dozen: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin.

    Taking the polling averages used by Nate Silver in the New York Times, the president is ahead in 10 of the 12 vital states. If those polls were borne out on Election Day, Obama would coast to victory with 332 electoral college votes. Only 270 votes are needed to win the presidency.

    Awarding Obama only the states in which he now leads by 3 percentage points or more in the polling averages still sees him safely home.

    By that measure, as of last Friday, he would win 8 of the 12 battlegrounds, for a total of 290 electoral votes.

    Romney victories in Florida, Missouri, North Carolina and Virginia would leave the Republican marooned on 248 electoral votes.


Indeed, based on my own calculations, Romney would need to reverse the current trend and win at least 8 of the 12 battleground states discussed here. Some of them, likeColorado, Pennsylvania, and New Mexico seem like unlikely places for a Republican victory this time around unless there is a major change in the polls. The others (Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Iowa, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, and North Carolina) are at least possibilities but by no means easy ones if current polling trends continue in the same manner that they’ve been going. Romney’s ties to New Hampshire may be enough for him to pick up those four electoral votes, the growing evangelical movement in Iowa may be enough to push that state into the Republican camp, and Nevada’s Mormon population could well prove decisive although Romney will have problems there thanks to his problems with Hispanic voters. However in all three of those states, RCP shows Obama with a lead. In Iowa it’s a small 1.3 point lead, but in Nevada it’s a fairly strong 5.3 point lead, while in New Hampshire the President leads by an average of three points. North Carolina remains close in the polls, but I think Obama will be unable to repeat his narrow 2008 victory there this time around and would give that state to Romney for now. The rest of the swing states are all going to be massive battlegrounds and Romney would need to win all of them in order to get a 270 vote majority and right now Romney is behind in the crucial states of Ohio and Virginia. Even if Romney wins these states, though, it would leave him with the slimmest of majorities, as slim as only a 6 point majority and in any case no larger than a 12 point gap. That leaves almost no margin for error, it also depends on the polls moving in Romney’s direction as we move into August and September, as well as a good debate showing by Romney in October’s three debates. There’s very little that can go wrong, and the problem the Romney campaign has is that they’ve shown us several times is that they are very capable of doing the wrong thing.

Based in part of polling and in part on intuition and history, here’s where I see the race right now, courtesy of a map I made at 270towin.com. There’s no ability to create “Leans” states, which would be helpful, so I’ve essentially given to each respective candidate the swing states they are leading in right now regardless of how small the lead might be:



This puts us at Obama 299 Romney 239, slightly better for the President than where I saw things when I did this three months ago. Romney would need to pick off  at least 31 Electoral Votes just to get to 270. The good news for Romney is that some states, like Virginia, are very close right now and still very much capable of being picked off. Other states, however, such as Ohio, seem to be becoming more and more Pro-Obama. If he’s going to win, Romney needs to find a way to pick away at least 31 Electoral Votes from the President. That would require wining Ohio and Virginia, which would give him 270 Electoral votes and make him the next President. That’s not going to be easy, especially given the way current trends are going in this race.

There are several factors that can change between now and Election Day that could shift this election in a direction more to Romney’s advantage, not the least of them being the state of the economy. However, we’ve been stuck in a very narrow band for most of this year and there’s every reason to think it will stay that way at least until after the conventions. At that point, the question will become whether or not Romney will be able to give voters a reason to fire the incumbent President and, in the process, pick up enough Electoral Votes to win the election. Given the advantages that President Obama has in that regard, though, the odds are not in Romney’s favor at the moment.

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Re: Post-Obama predictions...
« Reply #61 on: August 01, 2012, 10:37:55 AM »

LOL. 

Correct - I prefer Communism or Neo-Fascism to be honest.   

Choomer in Chief has to go. 



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"Communism" or "Neo Fascism"? Haha. Good God man take a politics class! The differences between Communism and Fascism is the difference between night and day. You can't be "Communist and Fascist" anymore than you can be a short tall guy. Or a blonde brunette. Communism is on the opposite side of the political spectrum as fascism. Communism can be "totalitarian" but not fascist.