Mathematically Impossible

[howardroark]

WHERE IS OBAMA'S BALANCED BUDGET PROPOSAL?

[Kazan]

WHERE IS OBAMA'S BALANCED BUDGET PROPOSAL?

A better question would be where is the budget? How long with out a budget now?

[Soul Crusher]

A better question would be where is the budget? How long with out a budget now?

We have been operating on CR's since the Democrats took over the congress.   They refuse to put a budget in place since it would expose just how out of whack things are and would force a real discussion how to end this crazy train of fiscal bankruptcy Obama/Reid/Pelosi insist upon. 

[dario73]

WHERE IS OBAMA'S BALANCED BUDGET PROPOSAL?

This is their response to you, sir:

what is worse in the eyes of God?

marrying 7 women?  Or marrying 1 dude?

[howardroark]

A better question would be where is the budget? How long with out a budget now?

Well to be fair to Obama, he did put forth a budget... a budget which never balances and was unanimously rejected by the Senate.

[Straw Man]

b/c they still make wild assumptions...

you think that is honesty?

There assumptions are a BEST CASE in favor of Romney and in one example based on a model developed by one of his current advisors which included “implausibly large growth effects” from tax cuts

Additionally,  Romney referred to the TPC as "objective"

so yes, I think this is totally fair and Romney has still have the opportunity to fill in the details  he convenienty excluded and the result can only get WORSE for the middle class

It would have been nice if the TPC said "Mr Romney - your plan incomplete and therefore bullshit" but in fairness to Romney he put this in the public domain and said he was putting his plan on the table for everyone to see so the TPC was fair to evaluate it and draw and publish their conclusions

I look forward to Romeney coming forward with more details but I doubt that will happen

[Soul Crusher]

There assumptions are a BEST CASE in favor of Romney and in one example based on a model developed by one of his current advisors which included “implausibly large growth effects” from tax cuts

Additionally,  Romney referred to the TPC as "objective"

so yes, I think this is totally fair and Romney has still have the opportunity to fill in the details  he convenienty excluded and the result can only get WORSE for the middle class

It would have been nice if the TPC said "Mr Romney - your plan incomplete and therefore bullshit" but in fairness to Romney he put this in the public domain and said he was putting his plan on the table for everyone to see so the TPC was fair to evaluate it and draw and publish their conclusions

I look forward to Romeney coming forward with more details but I doubt that will happen

Obama gave all sorts of details on his assumptions as to the Stim Bill

Deal with this FACt you obama kneepadder 

[Straw Man]

Obama gave all sorts of details on his assumptions as to the Stim Bill

Deal with this FACt you obama kneepadder 

great point and from your chart we can assume his BEST case assumptions were not good enough

I assume your point is that even best case assumption for Romneys plan would wind up to actually be much worse for the middle class

btw - we know that the 1% has done fantastic under Obama and in fact Romney's primary benefactor Sheldon Adelson has seen his wealth increase the most of any single person during the Obama administration.   I guess that's just not good enough for him and he wants even more

[howardroark]

great point and from your chart we can assume his BEST case assumptions were not good enough

Those weren't his best case assumptions, but his only case assumption.

It proves one of two things:
1. Obama is incompetent.
-or-
2. The stim bill actually hurt the economy.

Either answer is sufficient to kick Obama out of office.

I assume your point is that even best case assumption for Romneys plan would wind up to actually be much worse for the middle class

Actually, if we were to follow the TPC study's assumption that Romney would pay for half of his tax cuts by cutting government spending, then the middle "class" would get a major boost.

btw - we know that the 1% has done fantastic under Obama and in fact Romney's primary benefactor Sheldon Adelson has seen his wealth increase the most of any single person during the Obama administration.   I guess that's just not good enough for him and he wants even more

If the 1% did well under Socialism Lite (Obama), then why would they want to change to Socialism Extra Lite (Romney)?

There's a reason why so many rich people want Obama reelected and why so many business groups lobby for more regulation, and it's not just economic ignorance. It's also a screwed up sense of self-interest: they realize that higher taxes and more regulation prevents smaller competitors from posing a threat to the already established businesses.

[Straw Man]

Those weren't his best case assumptions, but his only case assumption.

It proves one of two things:
1. Obama is incompetent.
-or-
2. The stim bill actually hurt the economy.

Either answer is sufficient to kick Obama out of office.

Actually, if we were to follow the TPC study's assumption that Romney would pay for half of his tax cuts by cutting government spending, then the middle "class" would get a major boost.

If the 1% did well under Socialism Lite (Obama), then why would they want to change to Socialism Extra Lite (Romney)?

There's a reason why so many rich people want Obama reelected and why so many business groups lobby for more regulation, and it's not just economic ignorance. It's also a screwed up sense of self-interest: they realize that higher taxes and more regulation prevents smaller competitors from posing a threat to the already established businesses.

Both of your assumptions are false but more importantly why would I waste my time trying to have a discussion with you about economics or taxation when you don't even understand how a health savings account works.   If you can't even understand how the simple stuff works what's the point in wasting my time with you on more complicated topics

[Soul Crusher]

Both of your assumptions are false but more importantly why would I waste my time trying to have a discussion with you about economics or taxation when you don't even understand how a health savings account works.   If you can't even understand how the simple stuff works what's the point in wasting my time with you on more complicated topics

[howardroark]

Both of your assumptions are false

How so? The Obama team estimated that unemployment would be much lower than it actually is right now. That leaves only two options:
1. They were/are incompetent.
-or-
2. The "stimulus" and Obama's economic policies had the opposite effect they were intended to have.

Either way, it proves that Obama and his team need to get booted out of office.

The fact that you have a Keynesian lite in Romney leads me to believe that you should be supporting him in November, not Obama.

but more importantly why would I waste my time trying to have a discussion with you about economics or taxation when you don't even understand how a health savings account works.   If you can't even understand how the simple stuff works what's the point in wasting my time with you on more complicated topics

Hahahaha, diversion tactics. You were the one who couldn't understand that taxing income spent on a certain product is, in fact, a tax hike.

[Straw Man]

How so? The Obama team estimated that unemployment would be much lower than it actually is right now. That leaves only two options:
1. They were/are incompetent.
-or-
2. The "stimulus" and Obama's economic policies had the opposite effect they were intended to have.

Either way, it proves that Obama and his team need to get booted out of office.

The fact that you have a Keynesian lite in Romney leads me to believe that you should be supporting him in November, not Obama.

Hahahaha, diversion tactics. You were the one who couldn't understand that taxing income spent on a certain product is, in fact, a tax hike.

This is my point.  

You are 100% wrong.  

Ill be glad to go over it with you again but until you can understand how an HSA works you're not qualified to discuss more complicated topics

Its just pointless

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=432980.50

[Soul Crusher]

This is my point. 

You are 100% wrong.   

Ill be glad to go over it with you again but until you can understand how an HSA woorks you're not qualified to discuss more complicated topics

Its just pointless

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptuions.