It seems like young people could unite 100%...

[Roger Bacon]

in abolishing Social Security?

[Roger Bacon]

Why do young people have to pay in, when they're certainly never going to recoup anything?

Why can't we just save our own money?

[outby43]

doesn't seem like they can just end it without someone getting screwed.  If they want to reimburse me everything I put in that would be cool.

[Shockwave]

I'd take the hit now to not have to pay anymore in.
My parents are scared shitless of anyone that speaks anything ill of SS, they both panic and think its the devil. They told me "You'll never be able to retire without it!".

Then they complained about them trying to raise the age to draw SS... and all this other crap.

I tried to explain that it's a giant ponzi scheme and someone is going to get stuck with the check... but they just kept saying "the government wouldn't allow that to happen!".

Lol

[240 is Back]

it'll be there.   we'd be foolish to believe today's models apply in 20 or 30 years when we get there.

think of how the world will be different then... nanotechnology, we'll be in brand new wars (or redoing these), flat currency for the world, china peaking then suddenly realizing it has a billion people (mostly males) and nothing to do with them.

What countries will be strong?  who will be weak?  Will the middle east (still in its first generation of internet) wisen up and use their resources wisely?  Will 8 countries have nukes?  Or 28? 

Money won't look the same in 30 years as it does now, in any way.  We might have 80 story public housing in every city, free healthcare, free college, free electricity.   We might have nanotech machines that output whey or rice or gunpowder... or oil... or gold.

So I don't worry much - wasn't social security supposed to be defunct in the 60s?  They'll always find ways and find funds to keep that $ on track.


Now, if you want to find that money... cut welfare, UE, subsidies to oil and corn companies, and a shitload more things.

[Shockwave]

it'll be there.   we'd be foolish to believe today's models apply in 20 or 30 years when we get there.

think of how the world will be different then... nanotechnology, we'll be in brand new wars (or redoing these), flat currency for the world, china peaking then suddenly realizing it has a billion people (mostly males) and nothing to do with them.

What countries will be strong?  who will be weak?  Will the middle east (still in its first generation of internet) wisen up and use their resources wisely?  Will 8 countries have nukes?  Or 28? 

Money won't look the same in 30 years as it does now, in any way.  We might have 80 story public housing in every city, free healthcare, free college, free electricity.   We might have nanotech machines that output whey or rice or gunpowder... or oil... or gold.

So I don't worry much - wasn't social security supposed to be defunct in the 60s?  They'll always find ways and find funds to keep that $ on track.


Now, if you want to find that money... cut welfare, UE, subsidies to oil and corn companies, and a shitload more things.

It may not happen in my generation, or my kids, but eventually that shit is going to dry up. Unless the world DRASTICALLY changes.

[240 is Back]

It may not happen in my generation, or my kids, but eventually that shit is going to dry up. Unless the world DRASTICALLY changes.

at one time, the national planners probably realized our current DC electric grid wasn't going to be able to support 300 million Americans.

And some people got very rich delivering that solution to the world, ,or the govt finds a way.

There will be enough housing, food, electricity, fuel, etc for Americans today, in 10 years, and in 100 years.  Period.  Cause if there's not, our leaders get voted out, and they do love their jobs.

[Shockwave]

at one time, the national planners probably realized our current DC electric grid wasn't going to be able to support 300 million Americans.

And some people got very rich delivering that solution to the world, ,or the govt finds a way.

There will be enough housing, food, electricity, fuel, etc for Americans today, in 10 years, and in 100 years.  Period.  Cause if there's not, our leaders get voted out, and they do love their jobs.

You do realize eventually someone is going to have to take the hit in order to fix shit, right? There is only a finite amount of resources in this country. You can't just print money and still have it be worth a damn.

[Roger Bacon]

at one time, the national planners probably realized our current DC electric grid wasn't going to be able to support 300 million Americans.

And some people got very rich delivering that solution to the world, ,or the govt finds a way.

There will be enough housing, food, electricity, fuel, etc for Americans today, in 10 years, and in 100 years.  Period.  Cause if there's not, our leaders get voted out, and they do love their jobs.

I use to really enjoy your posts 240, but I'm afraid you're losing your mind or something! 

[240 is Back]

You do realize eventually someone is going to have to take the hit in order to fix shit, right? There is only a finite amount of resources in this country. You can't just print money and still have it be worth a damn.

Actually, I disagree.   I dont think we ever need to take that hit.

I think the US is the only remaining superpower precisely because we are the MFer that never has to pay our bills.  Just too big and bad (too many bases with nukes in peoples' backyards).

And technology is hella forgiving.  Stack up 80 story efficiencies, free housing.  Free grain/whey/coca-cola.  Free wifi and obamaphones.  Free college for those who do want to get out of bed.

We can invade another country every 5 years and sitll fund a nation of 80% UE.  We're low maintenance.  Put a superwalmart selling chinese plastic toys outside each group of efficiencies.

I hate to tell ya, but our nation *could* tolerate 80% unemployment.  automate eveything and encourage people to stay inside enjoying t1 speed wifi and all the hulu and netflix they can take.  free porn and fleshlights too!

Technology.  Period.  At some point, some man will invent a food that turns dirt to rice, whey, sugar, etc.  It'll happen. 

[Shockwave]

Actually, I disagree.   I dont think we ever need to take that hit.

I think the US is the only remaining superpower precisely because we are the MFer that never has to pay our bills.  Just too big and bad (too many bases with nukes in peoples' backyards).

And technology is hella forgiving.  Stack up 80 story efficiencies, free housing.  Free grain/whey/coca-cola.  Free wifi and obamaphones.  Free college for those who do want to get out of bed.

We can invade another country every 5 years and sitll fund a nation of 80% UE.  We're low maintenance.  Put a superwalmart selling chinese plastic toys outside each group of efficiencies.

I hate to tell ya, but our nation *could* tolerate 80% unemployment.  automate eveything and encourage people to stay inside enjoying t1 speed wifi and all the hulu and netflix they can take.  free porn and fleshlights too!

Technology.  Period.  At some point, some man will invent a food that turns dirt to rice, whey, sugar, etc.  It'll happen.  

You are insane. Or I just fell for another 240 troll fest.

[Roger Bacon]

You are insane. Or I just fell for another 240 troll fest.

That's the problem, you never know.... lol

[240 is Back]

You are insane. Or I just fell for another 240 troll fest.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/nanotechnology4.htm

I think at some point - probably 100 years but could be way sooner due to computer processing speed, etc - we will hav nanotech a reality.

Read about it there - just a few entertaining paragraphs about what could be possible - what WILL be possible at some point.  When that happens, we'll all have taps in our kitchen for grain, rice, whey, you name it.  I know, it sounds crazy, but any MFer who stood up in 1960 and said "In 50 years, you will all have items in your pocket smaller than a pack of cigarettes - you will use it as a telephone, a camera, a map, a phonograph, a calorie counter, a mailing device, etc..."

I mean, that little thingie can deliver tens of thousands of items in one little device.  Only a madman would have foreseen that in 1960.

now tell me in 50 years (given processing power doubling evrey 18 months) that we won't have some insane shit to deliver efficiecy that none of our silly minds can imagine today

[Shockwave]

http://science.howstuffworks.com/nanotechnology4.htm

I think at some point - probably 100 years but could be way sooner due to computer processing speed, etc - we will hav nanotech a reality.

Read about it there - just a few entertaining paragraphs about what could be possible - what WILL be possible at some point.  When that happens, we'll all have taps in our kitchen for grain, rice, whey, you name it.  I know, it sounds crazy, but any MFer who stood up in 1960 and said "In 50 years, you will all have items in your pocket smaller than a pack of cigarettes - you will use it as a telephone, a camera, a map, a phonograph, a calorie counter, a mailing device, etc..."

I mean, that little thingie can deliver tens of thousands of items in one little device.  Only a madman would have foreseen that in 1960.

now tell me in 50 years (given processing power doubling evrey 18 months) that we won't have some insane shit to deliver efficiecy that none of our silly minds can imagine today

Im sure we will have shit we can't imagine. What you're discussing is beyond your comprehension, methinks. Or, again, you're just trolling
A.People will not live in 80 story buildings, not happily anyway. There will be mass crime and violence, revolts, etc.
B.We can't just keep kicking peoples asses for resources, eventually the world will get upset at us and unite against us (as well they should)
C.We will not be able to print our money indefinitely, and we WILL have to pay our debts some day. These other countries aren't going to want our worthless paper for goods indefinitely.
D.No way we could tolerate 80% unemployment. How in the hell could we possibly produce anything, fix anything, feed anyone, if 80% of our population wasn't doing shit? 20% isn't going to provide for 80% for even a day. Can you even begin to fathom how much violence and crime would go on with 80% of people unemployed and unable to entertain themselves?

[240 is Back]

i am just talking for the sake of space.  but honestly, if you gave told 80% of americans "I will give you unlimited housing, food, education, wifi, TV, obamaphones, and other toys".

If you fck up, prison.

If you follow the law, you enjoy the free shit.  Most people today follow the law and enjoy free roads, free water, and other things.  People will adapt to what is offered.

And life wouldn't be so bad.  Maybe they hand out free prozac and evryone is too loopy and happy to commit crime. 


Look back 50 years - no antidepressants.  No computers.  no smart phones.  none of the cool things we have today that entertain us and keep us calm and following laws.  Hell, you coudl legalize weed and probably 75% of crime in america woudl end lol...

nanotech will be a reality.  It's just a matter of when, not if.  It'll be real for us inwide of 100 years.

[sync pulse]

in abolishing Social Security?

It was the creeping dismantling of FDR's "New Deal" since 1980 which got us in this mess to begin with...They shipped the manufacturing economy overseas to undercut United States salaries and this destroyed the middle class prosperity which was the actuarial "primum movens" upon which Social Security Insurance needs.

[Roger Bacon]

I think it's kind of bizarre that people my age are busting our collective ass to support older people that generally have plenty of money.  On top of that, I can't understand the original idea for the life of me.

Maybe I'm just narrow minded...  

[sync pulse]

I think it's kind of bizarre that people my age are busting our collective ass to support older people that generally have plenty of money.  On top of that, I can't understand the original idea for the life of me.

Maybe I'm just narrow minded...  

It's the same concept as insurance...before Social Security the largest block of poverty were the elderly...
Before Social security and Medicare the Life span was around 65 years...Now it is 78, so it can be seen that these programs are successful.

[Fury]

You are insane. Or I just fell for another 240 troll fest.

He's not trolling. He's just another moron who formulates his opinions around talking points heard on MSNBC.

[240 is Back]

He's not trolling. He's just another moron who formulates his opinions around talking points heard on MSNBC.

I believe nanotechnology is going to lead the biggest jump for mankind in the next century, the next 'killer app' that changes everything about how we live.

At some point, researchers will have a machine that can turn dirt (or air or whatever) into other materials, or other elements which can then be combined in certain ways.  There will be successes and failures, but at some point, researchers will have a food 'mush' and a gasoline 'mush', etc.  Eventually, things with parts will be created using nanotech as well.

During college I was fascinated with nanotech.  Whoever can invest in the right nano firms will get VERY wealthy when their products are a success, but the firms that'll  do that probably don't even exist yet.  Heck,, the people that will perfect it might not be born yet haha.  But it'll happen eventually.  At some point in the future, mankind won't suffer from 'shortages' anymore. 

And that will nullify a lot of the debt and reasons for war, limited resources.  And looking at where we've come int he last century (you'd probably be sent to a mental asylum if you tried explaining an iphone in 1912 haha).... imagine where we will be in another century giving processing power increases.  It's fascinating to me, even if it is hard to conceive.  Politics aside, you should read about nanotech... it's just so cool.

[Shockwave]

It was the creeping dismantling of FDR's "New Deal" since 1980 which got us in this mess to begin with...They shipped the manufacturing economy overseas to undercut United States salaries and this destroyed the middle class prosperity which was the actuarial "primum movens" upon which Social Security Insurance needs.

So it was the globalization of business in your opinion? Today, companies that try and build their goods here simply cannot compete with those who manufacture overseas... I don't know what the answer is.

[Soul Crusher]

So it was the globalization of business in your opinion? Today, companies that try and build their goods here simply cannot compete with those who manufacture overseas... I don't know what the answer is.

The answer is stop making it so damn expensive and risky to build things here. 

Lawsuits, insurances, UE, EEOC, OSHA, DEP, EPA, taxes, zoning laws, et al have turned us into a nation too prohibitive to make anything.