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Re: Liberals start to ask: "Does Obama even want a 2nd Term?"
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2012, 12:28:40 PM »
the daily beast telling us what liberals think?

That's like having code pink work as Rush Limbaugh's spokesman.

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Re: Liberals start to ask: "Does Obama even want a 2nd Term?"
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2012, 12:31:42 PM »
Does Obama Even Want to Win the Election?
by Michael Tomasky Oct 7, 2012 4:45 AM EDT



Maybe he’s just sick of being the president. How else to explain that sorry debate? Michael Tomasky on why Obama might be fading out—and why he better turn it around fast.

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Barack Obama gave some lively performances on the stump after that sorry debate, including before 30,000 roaring people in Madison, so someone seems to have told him how bad it was. Then on Friday, the jobs report surely put another spring in his step. But even so, let’s take stock. It’s now been three nationally televised public performances in a row—the convention speech, the 60 Minutes interview, and the debate—where he was pretty terrible; withdrawn and distant and just not there. Someone needs to ask the cut-to-the-chase question: is he enthusiastic about keeping this job, or he is just maybe tired of being president?
 
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The Atlantic’s Garance Franke-Ruta raised the question right after the debate about whether Obama’s heart was still in it. Comparing today’s Obama to the guy we watched the first time he ran, she wrote: “Whoever Obama was when he was elected president has been seared away by two active wars, the more free-ranging fight against al-Qaeda, the worst economic crash since the Great Depression, and the endless grinding fights with Washington Republicans—and even, I am sure, activists in his own party. His supporters keep wanting Obama to be who he was in 2008. But that’s not who he is anymore.”
 
Others advance various speculations—for example, maybe he knows some terrible thing from deep in the national-security vaults that has him worried and preoccupied. Could be. But then again, remember that he was cracking wise in spring 2010 at the White House Correspondents Dinner while SEAL Team 6 was in the air on its way to Abbottabad. So I don’t think it’s that. I think he has days when he’s just not that into being president. This possibility can be viewed both sympathetic and judgmentally.
 

On the sympathy side, the story isn’t really about all those crises. He asked for the job, and they’re part of the territory, although it is undeniably the case that he confronted far more challenges than any other modern president upon entering office. The economic calamity in particular guaranteed that he’d have very little good news to present to the country for nearly the entire first term.
 

So that’s part of it, but mainly it’s that the reality of his term is undoubtedly so different, and so much worse, than the presidency he envisioned for himself. There’s no doubt that he did envision himself as transformational. Almost everything that had happened in his life before becoming president—succeeding at everything, often leaving observers in awe of him—clearly suggested to him that he’d conquer the presidency. He also believed, I think really genuinely believed, that he was and could be a post-partisan figure. He thought this because he wasn’t a product of the ’60s, and he said so explicitly on occasion, noting at one point in 2008 that we didn’t need to “relitigate the ’60s” anymore.
 

Well, maybe he didn’t. But someone did. Conservatives did, because they believe that’s when it all went sour, and for them, it’s good for business besides. I doubt Obama had ever been hated by anybody in his life. Now, 40 or so million Americans hate him. Must be stunning to him, still.
 

On the judgmental side, well, pal, millions of people are kind of counting on you here. All Americans, even the ones who hate you, need you to do your best every day to fix the economy, and you owe that effort to them—even the ones who hate you. Ditto to do your best to protect everyone from violence or attack. And to the people who support you, you owe something else: your best efforts to advance the agenda they wanted you to advance when they voted for you.
 

And to the people out there still using these last 30 days to make up their minds, Obama had better be aware that he needs to send them a forceful signal that he has zest for the job for another four years. In these next two debates, yeah, he has to do a far better job of pinning Mitt Romney down on his evasions, but there’s a very clear first order of business here that I hope Chicago understands: he needs to demonstrate unequivocally that he really wants the job for another four years.
 

Forty or so million Americans hate him. Must be stunning to him, still.
 

I still think he can be a transformational president if he wins a second term. The economy will improve. If he gets a grand bargain, even if he does it on terms that liberals like me will be somewhat unhappy about, it will be recorded as a huge win. It might even tame the GOP a little. He can and should immerse himself in the implementation of health care. I think many aspects of Obamacare will be more popular once they’re in place, but there’s no question that the mandate will be a hardship on some families, and he’ll have to address that and maybe fix it if fixes are needed. With luck (and no, I’m not wishing death on anyone—maybe an Anthony Kennedy retirement, say), he can transform the Supreme Court and leave a center-left majority. And on foreign policy, well, who knows. There’s always the potential there for huge trouble, but at least as much potential for great triumphs.
 

But he has to win first, and to do that he has to show people he actually wants to win. On the most important stages the campaign has given him, he hasn’t been doing that lately at all.










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Re: Liberals start to ask: "Does Obama even want a 2nd Term?"
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2012, 12:41:50 PM »
i dont know who he is... i know his article is full of buzz words like 'conservatives think' and 'liberals want'...

to me, that's  abunch of divisive garbage.  you know, the "some people say..." tactic they love at FOX.

Sorry, i'm called a shitbag lib, and you can bet the rent check i'd issue ten terrorist headshots without dropping my mcgriddle.  and i know 'conservatives' on getbig whose behavior is WAY more liberal than the libs they mock.

So sorry, not buying the labels, dude.

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Re: Liberals start to ask: "Does Obama even want a 2nd Term?"
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2012, 12:45:36 PM »
i dont know who he is... i know his article is full of buzz words like 'conservatives think' and 'liberals want'...

to me, that's  abunch of divisive garbage.  you know, the "some people say..." tactic they love at FOX.

Sorry, i'm called a shitbag lib, and you can bet the rent check i'd issue ten terrorist headshots without dropping my mcgriddle.  and i know 'conservatives' on getbig whose behavior is WAY more liberal than the libs they mock.

So sorry, not buying the labels, dude.

Tomansky was one of the biggest obama drones out there the last 4 years.   

Some are starting to wake up to the fraud and failure obama is.   You will too at some point. 

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Re: Liberals start to ask: "Does Obama even want a 2nd Term?"
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2012, 12:59:53 PM »
Don't worry 333

Obama will be dropping out any day now

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Re: Liberals start to ask: "Does Obama even want a 2nd Term?"
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2012, 01:04:23 PM »
Don't worry 333

Obama will be dropping out any day now

Sheriff Joe will make it so. 

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Re: Liberals start to ask: "Does Obama even want a 2nd Term?"
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2012, 01:09:57 PM »
Don't worry 333

Obama will be dropping out any day now

You leftist obama drones are in for a very rude awakening in november.  2010 mid term redux. 

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Re: Liberals start to ask: "Does Obama even want a 2nd Term?"
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2012, 01:19:40 PM »
You leftist obama drones are in for a very rude awakening in november.  2010 mid term redux.  

yeah, the polls in 2010 are just like the polls in 2012

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Re: Liberals start to ask: "Does Obama even want a 2nd Term?"
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2012, 01:20:15 PM »
yeah, the polls in 2010 and just like the polls in 2012

yes, and the tea party rallies are bigger than ever. 

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Re: Liberals start to ask: "Does Obama even want a 2nd Term?"
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2012, 05:37:30 AM »
It's Important To Understand Why Romney Won
By Dennis Prager - October 9, 2012





Understanding why Mitt Romney so decisively won the first presidential debate is as important as the fact that he did. Why? Because once we know the reasons, almost everything about President Barack Obama and this election becomes clear.
 
First, Obama lost because he, like virtually the entire left, lives in a left-wing bubble.

 
Left-wing academics live in this bubble. There is no greater uniformity of thought than at our universities; their much-ballyhooed commitment to diversity is about race and ethnicity, not about ideas.
 
So, too, the great majority of news media people live in the same bubble, the left-wing herd that covers national and international news. Reading The New York Times, The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times or Le Monde or listening to the BBC is essentially reading or listening to the same selection and presentation of the news.
 
One reason leftists talk to, read and listen to only fellow leftists is that they are certain that there is no other way to think rationally, compassionately or morally. Therefore, there is no reason to debate conservatives, let alone expose oneself to their ideas.
 
Obama is a man of the left. Leftism is his Weltanschauung, his value system, his way of understanding the world. Every one of the president's mentors whom we know about was a leftist, usually a radical leftist. The church he was married in and the pastor he adored were leftist. His work -- "community organizer" -- was left-wing work.
 
When you live in a bubble -- be it religious or political -- you cannot successfully debate opposing views. You're not even familiar with what those opposing views are. This debate was the first time in Obama's presidency -- if not his life -- that he had to defend the policies he believes in against an articulate conservative.
 
He couldn't.
 
The second reason for his defeat was that Obama lacked two things that have been essential to his popularity for the past four years.
 
One was a teleprompter. Most people would sound articulate if they could rely on teleprompters to speak words they and/or others wrote. But there were no teleprompters last Wednesday night.
 
Were a Republican president as dependent on a teleprompter as this president has been, the media constantly would report -- and mock -- the fact.
 
Which brings us to the news media's protection, the other thing the president was deprived of at the debate.
 
In the increasingly inglorious history of the mainstream (i.e., liberal) media, nothing has matched their four-year protection of this president. To cite but one of countless examples, when President George W. Bush signed the Patriot Act and incarcerated terror suspects at Guantanamo, the press was relentless in its attacks on him for allegedly undermining civil liberties. When Obama extended the Patriot Act and kept terror suspects in Guantanamo, the press was virtually silent.
 
A third reason for the Romney victory was the debate format. Moderator Jim Lehrer and new guidelines allowed the debaters to actually debate. The reason the liberal media have been so contemptuous of Lehrer is that, perhaps for the first time in the history of modern American presidential debates, the moderator did not attempt to dominate the proceedings. And what the left cannot control it fears.
 
According to Reuters, Obama spoke a full four minutes more than Romney did. But because Lehrer allowed Romney to actually respond to Obama, Romney didn't need any more time than he took.
 
Obama also lost because he is not intellectually deep. He is extremely bright. But he is not intellectually deep. If you read, rather than only listen to, any of his speeches -- from Berlin and Cairo until today -- you will discover how essentially empty they are. But because he never is challenged and because he delivers his largely nice-sounding vapidities so smoothly and authoritatively, many Americans are fooled.
 
He could not get away with this in the first debate. And though Obama surely will be much feistier and more aggressive in his second debate, if Romney is allowed to respond and challenge as he was in the first debate -- very possibly a big if -- there is no reason to believe that he will get away with his platitudes then, either.
 
Finally, Romney won because he understands how the economy works much better than Obama does -- and because he understands what America stands for much better than the president does.
 
The great unknown is whether enough Americans will come to realize all this by Election Day.



Copyright 2012, Creators Syndicate Inc.

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Re: Liberals start to ask: "Does Obama even want a 2nd Term?"
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2012, 06:36:06 AM »
Obama: Some people wonder why I’m so ‘even-keeled’
 The Washington Examiner ^ | October 9, 2012

Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 7:50:46 AM by Cincinatus' Wife

“I’m not going to spend a long time making a speech,” President Obama explained last night during a fundraiser in San Francisco last night, signalling that he would answer questions instead. “Most of you have been great friends for many years. Many of you supported me when I was running for the United States Senate, much less running for President. And so I think you know who I am and you know what I care about.”

Instead, Obama began reminiscing about growing up in Hawaii, after he was introduced by a childhood friend, Pam Hamamoto.

“It’s true that actually the environment that we grew up in, I think for both of us, still provides us a certain ballast,” he said. “Sometimes people wonder why it is that I seem pretty even-keeled. And I’d like to think that part of it is that’s how I’m hardwired, but part of it is when you spent your formative years in Hawaii, you think to yourself, it can’t be that bad.”

Obama added,”And if it is, then you go to Sandy Beach and you bodysurf and you feel fine afterwards. It washes away all worries.”



(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...





He knows he is going to lose. 

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Re: Liberals start to ask: "Does Obama even want a 2nd Term?"
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2012, 11:41:07 AM »
His results is better than the last pres, and he got 2 terms so i would say yes absolutely