JOHN BOEHNER DECLARES..."obamacare is the law of the land"...3333 leaves country

[240 is Back]

"FOX" didn't call Romney in a landslide. Two pundits, who are on the right, did: Morris and Rove.
Other pundits, (Beckel, Sabato, Williams, etc) called it for Obama. Others made no call.

[24KT]

Even if it were, why would I take it? Nobody is taking away my love of oiled up men in thongs...NO ONE!

I hear ya! 

Hahaha. Why you!  I know it's hard to resist. Wouldn't be getbig without people busting your chops.  It is expensive but with insurance I pay 80 a month.

$9,000 per month vs. $80 per month.

That right there is the best argument anyone has put forth in favour of Obamacare.

Sorry, I'm a Canadian who enjoys universal healthcare coverage, and my mind is still doing loopty-loops over those costs.

[MCWAY]

George Will doesn't work for Fox. He works for ABC.

Wayne Allen Root? Never seen him on Fox before.

The point, of course, was that Republican/conservative pundits called it for Romney; Liberals called it for Obama. That is contrary to the claim that the entire Fox network called it for Romney

[240 is Back]

George Will doesn't work for Fox. He works for ABC.

Wayne Allen Root? Never seen him on Fox before.

The point, of course, was that Republican/conservative pundits called it for Romney; Liberals called it for Obama. That is contrary to the claim that the entire Fox network called it for Romney

you are correct.  What we know is that those who predicted obama win were using that +6% dem sampling, which ended up very accurate.  Those who said that was oversampling were very wrong.  Sound like +6% of the population is the new goal of the repub party - they gotta win em back somehow.

[MCWAY]

you are correct.  What we know is that those who predicted obama win were using that +6% dem sampling, which ended up very accurate.  Those who said that was oversampling were very wrong.  Sound like +6% of the population is the new goal of the repub party - they gotta win em back somehow.

You also said that 3 million GOPers stayed home. That's what the folks who were screaming oversampling (including me) didn't take into account.

[240 is Back]

You also said that 3 million GOPers stayed home. That's what the folks who were screaming oversampling (including me) didn't take into account.

Was mitt too moderate for the base?   Would newt or santorum have done better with the base, but lost the moderates that Mitt won?  Or did the moderates snub mitt due to the positions he had to take (I will end planned parenthood)?

I still can't figure out how he got fewer votes than mccain, that's nuts, he spent way more $ and those ten million obama voters taht stayed home didn't switch to mitt.

[Straw Man]

You also said that 3 million GOPers stayed home. That's what the folks who were screaming oversampling (including me) didn't take into account.

the actual voting certainly seems to have oversampled the Dems and the Independents who were were told would go 2 to 1 for Repubs must not have gotten the message

[Straw Man]

Was mitt too moderate for the base?   Would newt or santorum have done better with the base, but lost the moderates that Mitt won?  Or did the moderates snub mitt due to the positions he had to take (I will end planned parenthood)?

I still can't figure out how he got fewer votes than mccain, that's nuts, he spent way more $ and those ten million obama voters taht stayed home didn't switch to mitt.

Mitt was SEVERELY conservative

he said so himself who would know better than Mitt

I guess the people of America just don't want a severely conservative leader in spite of McWay's belief that they do

[MCWAY]

You truly do not get it do you?

Freebies didn't lose this election... Social issues did.

The economy is VERY important, but no one had faith in either of them really... so it shows.

Apparently Independents are left leaning socially and this election showed it... But you keep on believing what you want.

Let's have this discussion in another 4 years and see what's what.

What are you talking about? Romney WON the independents. The problem was that 3 million Republicans sat this one out.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332926/romney-won-independents-key-states-it-wasnt-enough-katrina-trinko

[240 is Back]

do we know that it was the far-right base that really sat home on election day?

if so, it makes one wonder why Mitt pandered to them in the first place.   Look at huntsman, also a 100-millionaire who chose to refuse those pledges.  He was called too moderate - then those far right people making all the rules didn't even bother to show up and vote anyway!

Romney should have told them to fck off, he's a moderate, live with it or choose one of these unelectable messes.   

[Straw Man]

What are you talking about? Romney WON the independents. The problem was that 3 million Republicans sat this one out.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332926/romney-won-independents-key-states-it-wasnt-enough-katrina-trinko

maybe you should read the entire article and not just the part that you like

Now there were states where Obama won independents: including Florida, where he led by 3 points;  Iowa, where Obama won independents by a whopping 14 points; and New Hampshire, where he led  by 7 points

here's the bottom line, more people voted for Obama and also for the Democratic candidates and that's why he won

if your party doesn't think it's important enough to show up and vote and that's why you think you lost then your party needs to figure out a way to fix that.

Why did 3 million Republicans stay home when they could have voted AGAINST obama.  

Maybe they don't like the Democratic message but they dislike the Republican message even more
 

[Straw Man]

do we know that it was the far-right base that really sat home on election day?
if so, it makes one wonder why Mitt pandered to them in the first place.   Look at huntsman, also a 100-millionaire who chose to refuse those pledges.  He was called too moderate - then those far right people making all the rules didn't even bother to show up and vote anyway!

Romney should have told them to fck off, he's a moderate, live with it or choose one of these unelectable messes.   

this appears to be what McWay believes and also, somehow, that these 3 million far right people represent the views of the majority of the country

of course, more likely these 3 million extreme conservative are a tiny minority within their own party and really have no one other than a handful of kooky congress people who represent their views.   It's easy to win as an extremist in a small red state with a low # of voters or even running unopposed.   They are the rare exception of the electorate and do are not represntative of the country or even their own party

[tu_holmes]

What are you talking about? Romney WON the independents. The problem was that 3 million Republicans sat this one out.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332926/romney-won-independents-key-states-it-wasnt-enough-katrina-trinko

Bullshit!

As I showed in my PREVIOUS article... The evangelical republican base came out MUCH higher for Romney than it did McCain.

[whork]

What are you talking about? Romney WON the independents. The problem was that 3 million Republicans sat this one out.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332926/romney-won-independents-key-states-it-wasnt-enough-katrina-trinko

So these 3 million preferred Obama over Romney. Must be the intelligent GOP voters