USA just keeps rasing debt limit NOT the way to run things

[syntaxmachine]

Did you vote for Obama? What is your stance on guns?

I voted for Obama twice. I think there should be certain basic, federal guidelines for gun policy in the states similar to the latest bill but that besides these rudiments the issue should be devolved to states such that they can choose whatever level of strictness consistent with the 2nd Amendment they please.

Nothing compared to this these assholes. Don't het even think about getting on your lib bs with Reagan, you will lose. Obama has purposely done more damage than any president put together. Dudes a complete joke and not to be taken seriously....like all libs.

I won the last time we argued about it -- what would be different now? The fact is that your vaunted Republican heroes meet your definition of 'liberal,' fiscally speaking. If you want to be logically consistent, you'll castigate them alongside the Democratic bogeymen occupying half the real estate in your almond-sized brain. If you don't want to be logically consistent, conversing with you is folly unless one is collecting empirical psychological data on how cognitive disorders can curtail, or even disable, a person's ability to think.

[quadzilla456]

Noone on earth has any solution so they simply keep going ahead until it breaks, as simple as that. It's the same everywhere in all countries. No politics want to be in office when it explodes so they just do their best to avoid the drama. But make no mistake, it's going to crash.

^this

[arce1988]

  Listen to Uber. He is NOT wrong.

[_bruce_]

Hope we make it though this uncertain times.
I'm prepared for the worst... at the same time curious on how it will go down.

[King Shizzo]

I voted for Obama twice. I think there should be certain basic, federal guidelines for gun policy in the states similar to the latest bill but that besides these rudiments the issue should be devolved to states such that they can choose whatever level of strictness consistent with the 2nd Amendment they please.

I won the last time we argued about it -- what would be different now? The fact is that your vaunted Republican heroes meet your definition of 'liberal,' fiscally speaking. If you want to be logically consistent, you'll castigate them alongside the Democratic bogeymen occupying half the real estate in your almond-sized brain. If you don't want to be logically consistent, conversing with you is folly unless one is collecting empirical psychological data on how cognitive disorders can curtail, or even disable, a person's ability to think.

Do you own any greyhounds? Like to cook and garden in your spare time?

[Coach is Back!]

I voted for Obama twice. I think there should be certain basic, federal guidelines for gun policy in the states similar to the latest bill but that besides these rudiments the issue should be devolved to states such that they can choose whatever level of strictness consistent with the 2nd Amendment they please.

I won the last time we argued about it -- what would be different now? The fact is that your vaunted Republican heroes meet your definition of 'liberal,' fiscally speaking. If you want to be logically consistent, you'll castigate them alongside the Democratic bogeymen occupying half the real estate in your almond-sized brain. If you don't want to be logically consistent, conversing with you is folly unless one is collecting empirical psychological data on how cognitive disorders can curtail, or even disable, a person's ability to think.

You still can't answer clearly WHY you voted for him..twice. Are you socialist? Are you marxist? maybe communist? Are you under the delusion that borrowing over and over again at higher interest rate, having our credit downgraded, sympathizing with terrorists us a good thing? Please elaborate on this, you think your smart, I have NEVER been able to get a clear answer from a liberal on this. The lack of commonsense is disturbing.

[Coach is Back!]

I voted for Obama twice. I think there should be certain basic, federal guidelines for gun policy in the states similar to the latest bill but that besides these rudiments the issue should be devolved to states such that they can choose whatever level of strictness consistent with the 2nd Amendment they please.

I won the last time we argued about it -- what would be different now? The fact is that your vaunted Republican heroes meet your definition of 'liberal,' fiscally speaking. If you want to be logically consistent, you'll castigate them alongside the Democratic bogeymen occupying half the real estate in your almond-sized brain. If you don't want to be logically consistent, conversing with you is folly unless one is collecting empirical psychological data on how cognitive disorders can curtail, or even disable, a person's ability to think.

Yeah? Lets compare Reagans term to this shitheads. Think about that, pull some obscure numbers from some lib sites that couldn't tell the truth if their lives depended on it.

[Coach is Back!]

I voted for Obama twice. I think there should be certain basic, federal guidelines for gun policy in the states similar to the latest bill but that besides these rudiments the issue should be devolved to states such that they can choose whatever level of strictness consistent with the 2nd Amendment they please.

I won the last time we argued about it -- what would be different now? The fact is that your vaunted Republican heroes meet your definition of 'liberal,' fiscally speaking. If you want to be logically consistent, you'll castigate them alongside the Democratic bogeymen occupying half the real estate in your almond-sized brain. If you don't want to be logically consistent, conversing with you is folly unless one is collecting empirical psychological data on how cognitive disorders can curtail, or even disable, a person's ability to think.

Also, be sure to elabotate as to why terrorists are able to get jobs as professors even after getting convicted and doing time...with felonies. Please, we are all waiting.

[oldtimer1]

When China decides not to loan us anymore money watch our government collapse. We have to spend only what we take in. What is so confusing about that? China only lends us money because their economy relies on the US buying their goods. 

Clinton had a Republican congress that refused to waste money and Clinton gets the credit. The economy was going good under Bush II until both houses in Congress went Democratic toward the last two years and ruined the banks by putting Frank/Dodd in charge with crazy spending by the Democratic congress. Then Bush is blamed. Obama had both houses democrat. He could have got anything he wanted yet he didn't and accomplished nothing. Now congress is now divided.

[honest]

The devaulation of the USA dollar by the US administration wipes out any wealth recovery in a global sense. Some countries recently started to consider trading gold instead of US dollar, then the powers that be behind the US fed manipulate the pricethe gold price negatively, strong monetary forces at play in the world at the moment, nothing is real or safe property commodities anything, they can devalue anything, tough market to try and anticipate grow or hold wealth in.

[bodyofsteel]

I'm stocking up on thongs and oil just in case.

[muscularny]

It's a cycle. Nothing spectacular. It would have turned around with or with the current band of morons.

100%

[muscularny]

You are stupid. Absolutely all data and numbers are manipulated, fake. The sheeple will only know the extent of the damage once it's too late.

are you saying all the financial statements made by the top 1000 public companies in the usa is also false? In most cases they show an increase in sales and profit margins and balance sheets are healthy.

Some of the smartest investors are unloading gold (GS etc), buffett makes fun of investing in gold.

You have 2 choices, contiue waiting for the other shoe to drop and all the while live in misery or embrace the major financial comeback (yes it wont last forever but for now enjoy it, profit off it) and be happy.

To many people keep refreshing garbage conspiracy sites, remember, those sites are making good money off you the real sheep buying into every baloney they post, they are doing well.

[muscularny]

what are the other choices, let everything default?

[arce1988]

 Some countries recently started to consider trading gold instead of US dollar, then the powers that be behind the US fed manipulate the pricethe gold price negatively, strong monetary forces at play in the world at the moment, nothing is real or safe property commodities anything, they can devalue anything, tough market to try and anticipate grow or hold wealth in.

^


 I noticed that. The USA makes Gold drop just so the Dollar can stay alive. This is pure bull shit.

[arce1988]

  WHY NOT just go Bankrupt and start the slate (clean slate) from fresh all over again?

[King Shizzo]

 WHY NOT just go Bankrupt and start the slate (clean slate) from fresh all over again?

Bankrupt is probably just an American thing. You really think all of the countries that we owe money to, are just going to drop it? Maybe its time to spread sum democracy? 

[arce1988]

   Why not give every one a fresh start? Sounds a lot better than having zillion dollar debt limit

[bodyofsteel]

What do you get when you cross Zimbabwe with Greece? The future US economy.

[arce1988]

 

[honest]

The USA has no intention of paying back the debt, we are seeing the beginning of the end of paper currencies, don't stress they have a while to go yet, but we are well on our way to what Gorbechov predicted when he brought down the iron curtain, Capitalism will eventually become socialism, and in truth it is, corporate controlled central governments is just a better version than the Soviet model.

[Natural Man]

   Why not give every one a fresh start? Sounds a lot better than having zillion dollar debt limit

fresh starts happen...at the price of millions of deaths. 

[syntaxmachine]

You still can't answer clearly WHY you voted for him..twice.

I can, do, and would be happy to in conversation. I don't feel like typing up a manifesto for you, however. In any case, for a single individual voting doesn't affect the outcome, so my votes were cast more for aesthetic and practical reasons than any delusions about changing the country.

Are you socialist? Are you marxist? maybe communist?

No, no, and no.

Are you under the delusion that borrowing over and over again at higher interest rate, having our credit downgraded, sympathizing with terrorists us a good thing?

Items 1 and 3 haven't happened, so I'm not sure of their relevance to the discussion. Item 2 went down as most experts thought: the credit downgrade had no perceptible impact on USG finances.

Please elaborate on this, you think your smart, I have NEVER been able to get a clear answer from a liberal on this.

I'm center-right like most Democrats (though I don't formally affiliate with any party), so I'm not sure why you're bringing up liberals here. There are a variety of places to visit/live around the world which will give you a glimpse of genuine liberals in power -- you might learn something by contrasting these places with so-called liberals in the US. but that would involve a bit of effort, a little more difficulty than regurgitating vomit from moneyed interests and/or deluded ideologues whose agendas you apparently aren't even cognizant of, for the most part.

[arce1988]

  So how are they going to kill millions or even billions? War? Disease? Poison?