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And Mons Venus breaths a sigh of relief . . . for the time being. 

US appeals court panel: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
Published August 17, 2010
Associated Press

PASADENA, Calif. –  A three-year-old federal law that makes it a crime to falsely claim to have received a medal from the U.S. military is unconstitutional, an appeals court panel in California ruled Tuesday.

The decision involves the case of Xavier Alvarez of Pomona, Calif., a water district board member who said at a public meeting in 2007 that he was a retired Marine who received the Medal of Honor, the nation's highest military decoration.

Alvarez was indicted in 2007. He pleaded guilty on condition that he be allowed to appeal on First Amendment grounds. He was sentenced under the Stolen Valor Act to more than 400 hours of community service at a veterans hospital and fined $5,000.

A panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals sided with him in a 2-1 decision Tuesday, agreeing that the law was a violation of his free-speech rights. The majority said there's no evidence that such lies harm anybody, and there's no compelling reason for the government to ban such lies.

The dissenting justice insisted that the majority refused to follow clear Supreme Court precedent that false statements of fact are not entitled to First Amendment protection.

The act revised and toughened a law that forbids anyone to wear a military medal that wasn't earned. The measure sailed through Congress in late 2006, receiving unanimous approval in the Senate.

Dozens of people have been arrested under the law at a time when veterans coming home from wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are being embraced as heroes. Many of the cases involve men who simply got caught living a lie without profiting from it. Almost all the impostors have been ordered to perform community service.

The U.S. Attorney's Office in Los Angeles said it was deciding whether to appeal Tuesday's ruling.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/17/appeals-court-panel-law-faking-receipt-military-medals-unconstitutional/

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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2010, 06:44:30 PM »
Wow what a surprise the 9th circus strikes again. So if someone claims military service, then gets a job or some personal gain from it, its a free speech issue? What a bunch of bullshit, the sooner the big one hits and california falls into the Pacific the better
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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2010, 06:50:00 PM »
Wow what a surprise the 9th circus strikes again. So if someone claims military service, then gets a job or some personal gain from it, its a free speech issue? What a bunch of bullshit, the sooner the big one hits and california falls into the Pacific the better

Yeah.  To say "there's no evidence that such lies harm anybody, and there's no compelling reason for the government to ban such lies" is wrong.  Most of the Medal of Honor recipients died in battle.  It's beyond offensive to pretend like you've been awarded a medal that cost so many men their lives. 


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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2010, 06:56:28 PM »
Yeah.  To say "there's no evidence that such lies harm anybody, and there's no compelling reason for the government to ban such lies" is wrong.  Most of the Medal of Honor recipients died in battle.  It's beyond offensive to pretend like you've been awarded a medal that cost so many men their lives. 



These assholes don't care, I mean hell after a while I think some of them actually believe the bullshit they are pedaling. I wonder how judges would feel if some assclown was running around claiming to be a judge. I bet the fucker would get the book thrown at them, but hell its only the military ::)
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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2010, 07:12:31 PM »
These assholes don't care, I mean hell after a while I think some of them actually believe the bullshit they are pedaling. I wonder how judges would feel if some assclown was running around claiming to be a judge. I bet the fucker would get the book thrown at them, but hell its only the military ::)

Good point.

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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2010, 09:27:27 PM »
These assholes don't care, I mean hell after a while I think some of them actually believe the bullshit they are pedaling. I wonder how judges would feel if some assclown was running around claiming to be a judge. I bet the fucker would get the book thrown at them, but hell its only the military ::)

Read some Mons Venus posts. He's convinced he fought in 5 wars and now owns a multi-million dollar business.

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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2011, 01:01:13 PM »
 Free speech vs. lying? Supreme Court to rule on Stolen Valor Act

October 17, 2011 |  9:08 am   22The Supreme Court agreed Monday to hear an important First Amendment case to decide whether the freedom of speech includes a right to lie about military honors.

The justices voted to hear the government’s defense of the Stolen Valor Act, a 5-year-old law that makes it a crime to falsely claim to have earned medals for service in the U.S. armed forces.

The U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals last year struck down the law on free-speech grounds and said the government cannot act as the “truth police” to punish lies that cause no direct harm.

“The sad fact is, most people lie about some aspects of their lives from time to time,” wrote Judge Milan Smith in a 2-1 decision. “Given our historical skepticism of permitting the government to police the line between truth and falsity, and between valuable speech and drivel, we presumptively protect all speech, including false statements.”

But U.S. Solicitor General Donald Verrilli Jr., in his appeal, said that “knowingly false” statements deserve  little protection under the First Amendment. He pointed to laws against fraud that punish those who make false promises to obtain money and to laws against defamation that punish those who make false and hurtful claims that damage a person’s reputation.

He said that banning false claims to medals and decorations is crucial to “safeguarding the military honors system.”

The court said it will hear the case of United States vs. Alvarez early next year and rule by summer.

The case began in 2007 when a newly elected board member to the Three Valleys Municipal Water District, based in Claremont,  introduced himself as a military vet. “I’m a retired Marine of 25 years,” said Xavier Alvarez. “Back in 1987, I was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. I got wounded many times by the same guy.”

None of these claims were true. Alvarez never served in the military.

They were not his first phony claims. He also had claimed to have played hockey for the Detroit Red Wings, worked as a police officer, rescued the U.S. Ambassador during the Iranian hostage crisis and married a Mexican starlet.

In a separate case, he was prosecuted and sent to prison for insurance fraud.

Acting on a citizen’s complaint, the FBI obtained a recording of the water board meeting at which Alvarez claimed to have won the Medal of Honor. He was said to be the first person indicted for violating the Stolen Valor Act, which forbids “falsely” representing yourself “verbally or in writing” as having been awarded a military medal or decoration that was authorized by Congress.

Alvarez contended the law was unconstitutional, but pleaded guilty when his motion was denied. He was given a $5,000 fine and three years of probation. He then appealed to the 9th Circuit.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/10/supreme-court-stolen-valor-act.html

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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2011, 01:09:22 PM »
9th Circuit? 


There is a big surprise.   ::)  ::)

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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2011, 01:19:21 PM »
Obviously it's wrong to make a false claim, but to make a law about it?

That's ridiculous.

Like we need more laws?

I don't see people lining up to make laws for used car salesmen who say "as is" on the side.

Is it shitty... Yes. But should it be "illegal"... Hardly.

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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2011, 01:47:04 PM »

They were not his first phony claims. He also had claimed to have played hockey for the Detroit Red Wings, worked as a police officer,  rescued the U.S. Ambassador during the Iranian hostage crisis and married a Mexican starlet.


Sounds like he'd give Chuck Norris a run for his money.
I don't think anyone would believe such BS.

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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2011, 02:27:31 PM »
Do you guys have any idea how widespread this shit is. Check out thisainthell.us. Its one of the best milblogs around. These guys go after alot of the retards and are currently holding the stolen valor hall of fame awards for the year. Check it out.

http://thisainthell.us/
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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2011, 02:57:56 PM »
This guy was clearly trying to profit from this by feeding his bullshit to his constituents.  That should absolutely not be legal.

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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2012, 10:00:38 PM »
Supreme Court to review law criminalizing lies about war service
Published February 19, 2012
Associated Press
 
Xavier Alvarez was in good company when he stood up at a public meeting and called himself a wounded war veteran who had received the top military award, the Medal of Honor.

Alvarez was lying about his medal, his wounds and his military service, but he wasn't the first man to invent war exploits.

He was, however, one of the first people prosecuted under a 2006 federal law aimed at curbing false claims of military valor.

Concerns that the law improperly limits speech and turns people into criminals for things they say, rather than do, are at the heart of the Supreme Court's review of his case and the Stolen Valor Act.

Veterans groups have come to the aid of the Obama administration, which calls the law a narrowly crafted effort to protect the system of military awards that was established during the Revolutionary war by Gen. George Washington. The high court will hear the case Wednesday, which is Washington's 280th birthday.

"They're committing fraud. They're impersonating somebody else. They take on attributes of somebody else, attributes of a hero who served honorably," said Pam Sterner, whose college term paper calling for the law wound up in the hands of members of Congress. "When you do that, impersonating someone else, that's fraud, not freedom of speech."

Civil liberties groups, writers, publishers and news media outlets, including The Associated Press, have told the justices they worry the law, and especially the administration's defense of it, could lead to more attempts by government to regulate speech.

When he established military decorations in 1782, seven years before he was elected as the nation's first president, Washington himself also prescribed severe military punishment for soldiers who purported to be medal winners but weren't. Since then, many men have embellished their war records, and some have won special recognition.

It long has been a federal crime to wear unearned medals, but mere claims of being decorated were beyond the reach of law enforcement.

The House of Representatives has more than once voted to name a post office after men who claimed awards they never received. The Air Force named an award after a man who falsely claimed to have survived the Bataan Death March and been awarded the Silver Star in World War II. The Boxing Writers of America named its perseverance award after the late Pat Putnam of Sports Illustrated because of his made-up tale of surviving a Chinese prisoner of war camp in the Korean War and receiving a Navy Cross.

The Stolen Valor Act aimed to solve that problem, and garnered significant support in Congress during a time of war.

"The admiration and respect for the military increased dramatically after 9/11 and the false claims, as well," said Thomas A. Cottone Jr., a retired FBI agent who investigated phony award cases.

Alvarez made his claims by way of introducing himself as an elected member of the Three Valleys Municipal Water District in Pomona, Calif. There is nothing to suggest that he received anything in exchange or that listeners especially believed him.

Even Alvarez' lawyers acknowledged their client sometimes has trouble telling the truth. "Xavier Alvarez lied," they declare in the first sentence of their Supreme Court brief and go on to recount six separate lies in the next few lines.

He lied when he claimed he played hockey for the Detroit Red Wings, married a Mexican starlet who made paparazzi swoon, was an engineer, rescued the American ambassador during the Iranian hostage crisis and was shot when he went back for the U.S. flag. Alvarez also lied, they said, when he talked about his military service.

But the lies Alvarez told harmed no one, they said, so what he did couldn't be considered fraud.

A three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco struck down the law as an unconstitutional restraint on free speech and said the government might instead invest in an awards database that would make it harder for people to lay claim to medals they never won. Last month, the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver upheld the law in a separate case, saying the First Amendment does not always protect false statements.

The issue might never have reached this stage if not for the efforts of Sterner, and her husband, Doug.

He is a decorated Vietnam veteran who has made it his work in recent years to ensure that service members get the recognition they deserve and expose those who falsely claim acts of heroism under fire. Rather than wait for the government to act, Doug Sterner has entered nearly 100,000 award citations since Civil War in his online database, including all 3,475 Medal of Honor winners in U.S. history. His archive is used by the Military Times newspapers, published by Gannett Co.

Pam Sterner went back to school in her early 40s at Colorado State University in Pueblo, Colo. In a political science course, she wrote a paper that grew out of her husband's frustrations over phony award claimants whose worst punishment was public embarrassment. That paper eventually led to the Stolen Valor Act.

Doug Sterner's database did not save Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, from some embarrassment when he invited cameras and reporters to watch him pin medals on an elderly Korean War veteran in June.

The veteran, Myron Brown of Utah, said his Distinguished Service Cross and Silver Star were awarded belatedly, and he asked Chaffetz to present them to him publicly.

After the ceremony took place, Sterner and others raised questions about the medals and the Pentagon confirmed to Chaffetz in December that they were not authentic.

"Others have been burned by this. I have too, but I want to solve the problem," Chaffetz told the Salt Lake Tribune. He is planning a hearing of the House Oversight and Government Reform subcommittee he leads to explore creating a government-run awards database.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/19/supreme-court-to-review-law-criminalizing-lies-about-war-service/

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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2012, 05:19:22 AM »
Has Mons even posted in a while?  I had totally forgotten about that guy.

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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2012, 01:37:53 PM »
Has Mons even posted in a while?  I had totally forgotten about that guy.

He deleted his Mons account, be has several gimmicks:  Neuro Toxin, Cohibia, etc. 

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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2012, 01:47:13 PM »
He's a worthless piece of shit...never provided a shread of evidence, none of his stories ever made sense and took minutes to deconstruct. If your gonna fake a military career, don't be part of small special units like Ranger Bats or involved in conflicts where few took part in....like Panama. If he said he was bulk fuel specialist or a supply puke, nobody would have said shit.
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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2012, 01:47:57 PM »
I haven't seen any of those posting either.  He must be fighting a secret war.

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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2012, 09:44:10 AM »
Supreme Court strikes down Stolen Valor Act
By Gregg Zoroya, USA TODAY

The Supreme Court on Thursday rejected a 2005 federal law that punishes people who lie about medals and military service, concluding it had a sweeping and chilling effect on free speech.

The 6-3 decision in United States vs. Alvarez involves the case of a California water board member, Xavier Alvarez, who falsely claimed to have received the Medal of Honor.

He was prosecuted under the Stolen Valor Act. He pleaded guilty but reserved the right to appeal. His sentence was three years probation, a $5,000 fine and community service.

"Though few might find (Alvarez's) statements anything but contemptible, his right to make those statements is protected by the Constitution's guarantee of freedom of speech and expression," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the majority.

He wrote that the First Amendment "protects the speech we detest as well as the speech we embrace."

Proponents of the law, including the nation's largest veterans organization, the 2.4-million member American Legion, expressed dismay over the ruling. But they held out hope that a different version might survive legal review.

"We felt good about portions of the decision which suggest that a more narrowly tailored bill which incorporates traditional fraud elements would be upheld," says Fang Wong, national commander of the American Legion.

Allowing lies about medals to go unpunished "is in fact a degradation of the value and honor of those that earn the medal," says Harold Fritz, a Medal of Honor recipient and president of the Congressional Medal of Honor Society.

Kennedy said that the law as written would criminalize any false speech, even "personal, whispered conversations within a home" and this was granting the government too much power.

Fordham University Law Professor Abner Greene said the majority appeared to leave open the possibility of a law that would penalize lies about valor if they were shown to be a basis for fraud or monetary gain.

"I think that some sort of revision could be constitutional," Greene says.

Kennedy's plurality opinion was signed by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor. A concurring judgment by Justice Stephen Breyer was joined by Justice Elena Kagan.

Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas dissented, arguing that the law poses no threat to free speech, but rather punishes lies that if allowed to continue, are "undermining our country's system of military honors and inflicting real harm on actual medal recipients and their families."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/judicial/story/2012-06-28/supreme-court-stolen-valor/55895020/1

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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2012, 09:46:42 AM »
SC is batting a 1000 these days

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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2012, 09:48:52 AM »
SC is batting a 1000 these days

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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2012, 09:58:10 AM »
I dont care what the Constitution says.  This doesn't feel right.  We need some activist judges to ignore law and vote with their hearts, ya know?

it's okay if they do this some of the time

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Re: Law against faking receipt of military medals is unconstitutional
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2013, 12:49:11 PM »
Stolen Valor Act, take 2.

Stolen Valor Act of 2013 - Amends the federal criminal code to rewrite provisions relating to fraudulent claims about military service to subject to a fine, imprisonment for not more than one year, or both an individual who, with intent to obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit, fraudulently holds himself or herself out to be a recipient of:

•a Congressional Medal of Honor,
•a distinguished-service cross,
•a Navy cross,
•an Air Force cross,
•a silver star,
•a Purple Heart,
•a Combat Infantryman's Badge,
•a Combat Action Badge,
•a Combat Medical Badge,
•a Combat Action Ribbon,
•a Combat Action Medal, or
•any replacement or duplicate medal for such medal as authorized by law.

http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/258