60 days with OUT REM

[arce1988]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/21/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_c2


  Sounds brutal. They say he would have died any day.





Los Angeles (CNN) -- Michael Jackson died while preparing to set a world record for the most successful concert run, but he unknowingly set another record that led to his death.

Jackson may be the only human ever to go two months without REM -- rapid eye movement -- sleep, which is vital to keep the brain and body alive. The 60 nights of propofol infusions Dr. Conrad Murray said he gave Jackson to treat his insomnia is something a sleep expert says no one had ever undergone.

"The symptoms that Mr. Jackson was exhibiting were consistent with what someone might expect to see of someone suffering from total sleep deprivation over a chronic period," Dr. Charles Czeisler, a Harvard Medical School sleep expert, testified Friday at the wrongful-death trial of concert promoter AEG LIve.

The symptoms documented by e-mails among show producers and testimony from his chef, hairstylist and choreographers included his inability to do standard dances or remember words to songs he sang for decades, paranoia, talking to himself and hearing voices, and severe weight loss, Czeisler said.

[mass243]

[Ronnie Rep]

I have gone 4 days without sleep. Makes you paranoid, can't concentrate, psychotic!

[mass243]

The longest I've been without sleep is just above 48 hours in army.
And already then I was fuked - all of us were - and very angry at each other. Firing a howitzer was barely possible because everyone was so pissed off the next guy.

Oh did the first solid night feel good after that period. Even as it was a cold tent in freezing snow blizzard I slept like a baby. And we put up the tent so poorly (thanks to staying awake so long) that snow came inside HAHA
Those were the days.

[Chadwick The Beta]

he never went 60 days without tender young tail, so they say

[arce1988]

"I believe that that constellation of symptoms was more probably than not induced by total sleep deprivation over a chronic period," he testified.
 
 
Propofol disrupts the normal sleep cycle and offers no REM sleep, yet it leaves a patient feeling refreshed as if they had experienced genuine sleep, according to Czeisler.

If the singer had not died on June 25, 2009, of an overdose of the surgical anesthetic, the lack of REM sleep may have taken his life within days anyway, according Czeisler's testimony Friday.

Lab rats die after five weeks of getting no REM sleep, he said. It was never tried on a human until Murray gave Jackson nightly propofol infusions for two months.

Translating that to a human, Czeisler estimated, Jackson would have died before his 80th day of propofol infusions. Murray told police he had given it to him for 60 nights before trying to wean him off it on June 22, 2009 -- three days before his death.

[arce1988]

  In USMC MCRD they did not let us sleep     but 60 days sounds like death to me

[Chadwick The Beta]

  In USMC MCRD they did not let us sleep     but 60 days sounds like death to me

that's also a carefully monitored, controlled environment with a definite end to it (even though the boot thinks it will last forever)

[mass243]

  In USMC MCRD they did not let us sleep     but 60 days sounds like death to me

So..... for how long and did the period include any physically stressfull activity like our - relatively short - period did?

[arce1988]

 Shock wave might remember better    but it sure felt like they did not let us sleep the first 96 hours

[Chadwick The Beta]

Shock wave might remember better    but it sure felt like they did not let us sleep the first 96 hours

i was in the army and we had a similar welcome   we actually got a good 3-4 hours' sleep during those first 3 days

[mass243]

That's long time to not sleep for sure. 98 hours.

what were you doing through this period?

[arce1988]

  I went to USMC Boot Camp in the 80's        don't know when Shock went through  

[arce1988]

  They just had us walking around and getting hair cuts, clothes issued, gear issued, weapons issued, medical, dental, etc    a lot to kill time, a lot to get those things done, but a lot just to fuck with us and keep us up and in shock      I hate not having my eight hours of sleep     so I was one evil mother fucker

[Chadwick The Beta]

  They just had us walking around and getting hair cuts, clothes issued, medical, dental, etc    a lot to kill time, a lot to get those things done, but a lot just to fuck with us and keep us up and in shock      I hate not having my eight hours of sleep     so I was one evil mother fucker

all part of the game

the "teases" about if such and such gets done, everyone can sleep for four hours...but always, one soldier drops the ball and everyone has to stay up   

[G_Thang]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/21/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_c2


  Sounds brutal. They say he would have died any day.





Los Angeles (CNN) -- Michael Jackson died while preparing to set a world record for the most successful concert run, but he unknowingly set another record that led to his death.

Jackson may be the only human ever to go two months without REM -- rapid eye movement -- sleep, which is vital to keep the brain and body alive. The 60 nights of propofol infusions Dr. Conrad Murray said he gave Jackson to treat his insomnia is something a sleep expert says no one had ever undergone.

"The symptoms that Mr. Jackson was exhibiting were consistent with what someone might expect to see of someone suffering from total sleep deprivation over a chronic period," Dr. Charles Czeisler, a Harvard Medical School sleep expert, testified Friday at the wrongful-death trial of concert promoter AEG LIve.

The symptoms documented by e-mails among show producers and testimony from his chef, hairstylist and choreographers included his inability to do standard dances or remember words to songs he sang for decades, paranoia, talking to himself and hearing voices, and severe weight loss, Czeisler said.

I don't believe this.  He had some REM, even if he dosed off during the day and jumped right into REM after sleep onset.  Nice shock value report, but not completely accurate. Even suppressors don't keep you completely out of REM.

[arce1988]

  Yep   always the promise of three pure hours of sleep