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There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« on: October 10, 2019, 04:29:51 PM »

Peter McGough is an icon, here is his take the Olympia



THERE’S ONLY ONE OLYMPIA
Keep that name exclusive to bodybuilding’s ultimate contest

By Peter McGough

Back in 1999 there was an idea to stage a Mr. Olympia-Europe in addition to the Mr. Olympia established by Joe Weider in 1965. To preserve the uniqueness of the Mr. Olympia the Europe Olympia idea was quickly shelved and the contest took place as the World Professional Championships. Fast forward to today and we have the Amateur Olympia and a series of contests bearing the Olympia moniker wherein a host of IFBB pro cards are on offer. I’ve received messages from overseas competitors saying they are “Doing the Olympia” when in fact it is one of the aforementioned contests. I’ve even heard winners in non-bodybuilding classes refer to themselves as Olympia champions. A personal opinion is that the title Olympia should be exclusive to the contest created by Joe Weider back in 1965.

As a resident old fart it’s educational to review other sports and their marquee contests and at the conclusion of this narrative discern what happens when a formerly unique franchise is diluted down and therefore loses it impact and prestige.

BACK TO THE ‘60s

By the 1960s every major sport had their own event, which determined who was the best in that particular field. Football had the Super Bowl. Baseball had the World Series. Basketball had the NBA Finals. Ice Hockey had the Stanley Cup. Golf had the Masters in Augusta. Fifty years later those events still stand alone, intact, as the Holy Grail of their sports. There has been no Superbowl-Europe, no Junior World Series, and no NBA Finals II. Their singularity as the ultimate achievement in their sports made those events timelessly iconic as they still are.

On the other hand, boxing was one of the most popular sports in the ‘60s and remained so until around the early ‘90s. The heavyweight champions of the world -- from Rocky Marciano, through Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, and Mike Tyson -- was always one of the most famous people on earth. Nowadays most people don’t know who the heavyweight champion is (there are several), and boxing is no longer the draw it used to be. Why? Because of diluting the prestige of what it meant to hold the ultimate prize -- a world title. In the early ‘60s there was only one federation and only eight weight divisions. At any one time there were only eight men who could call themselves boxing world champions. Over the years other federations were launched and more weight classes were introduced. Today there are four main federations and17 weight classes, meaning at any one time there can be 68 world champions. Thus world titles don’t carry the prestige they once had, the public can’t identify with so many champions, and boxing is no longer the attraction it once was. The reality is when there are so many world champions there is no real world champion.

There’s something to be learned by the recent history of boxing. That’s why I say there should only be one contest bearing the name Olympia. Keep the contest special and unique as the sport’s ultimate accomplishment.

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2019, 04:40:35 PM »
I agree 100%

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2019, 10:29:15 AM »
There is only one Olympia but if another show attracts bigger names, then it will 'replace' it, per se. Case in point, years ago, the NIT was the main post-season NCAA basketball tournament and the NCAA Tournament was the under card. As the decades passed, the NIT became the place for teams that were not chosen as the top ones to get into the brackets that a bunch of girls bet on having no idea where the fuck Old Dominion is but they are rooting for them.

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2019, 02:00:51 PM »
Olympia is Greek village & that name is Greeks TM  ;)

Just don't piss Hellenic Olympic Committee or  :P

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2019, 02:18:45 PM »
who fucing cares

it will never be as well known as the "Mr Universe"

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2019, 10:50:50 AM »
X 2 for sure

X3

Today You have a bunch of youtubers  calling themselves mrOlympia " while doing grocery shopping on social media and looking like gym goers and nothing more.   

The tittle is a joke and it will only get worse. 

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2019, 11:32:24 AM »
Based on this years contest.  The Olympia is dead.

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2019, 11:34:20 AM »
There can never be too many bodybuilding contests

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2019, 01:13:40 PM »
who fucing cares

it will never be as well known as the "Mr Universe"

It already is.

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2019, 01:26:20 PM »
It already is.
Not to the general population.  If you mention the Mr. Universe the average person knows you are talking about bodybuilders.  If you say Mr. Olympia the average person thinks you are talking about someone in the Olympics.

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2019, 02:17:48 PM »
Not to the general population.  If you mention the Mr. Universe the average person knows you are talking about bodybuilders.  If you say Mr. Olympia the average person thinks you are talking about someone in the Olympics.

yep, anyone outside bodybuilding always uses the term "Mr Universe", no one has heard of the Olympia, its a fucking horse show to most..

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2019, 03:25:54 PM »
i think the title of Mr Olympia is a very special privilege which should be given to the only champion who deserves with the very best physique on stage.

Joe weider never gave the title to other competitors but the only champion of all champions.

Since we have different divisions now, I think we should bring back the overall winner on stage too. Let all winners from 212, classic physique, man's physique and open division to compete for the only title of Mr Olympia

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2019, 03:31:20 PM »
i think the title of Mr Olympia is a very special privilege which should be given to the only champion who deserves with the very best physique on stage.

Joe weider never gave the title to other competitors but the only champion of all champions.

Since we have different divisions now, I think we should bring back the overall winner on stage too. Let all winners from 212, classic physique, man's physique and open division to compete for the only title of Mr Olympia

it ceratinly wouldnt be the mens open winner who would be the overall winner

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2019, 09:20:46 PM »
Not to the general population.  If you mention the Mr. Universe the average person knows you are talking about bodybuilders.  If you say Mr. Olympia the average person thinks you are talking about someone in the Olympics.

After the split between the IFBB and NPC, the IFBB quicky started their Elite Pro League and created the IFBB Elite Pro World Championship.

Talking to many athletes, even though they know the Olympia name is historic, they prefer to be called a Bodybuilding World Champion.

The IFBB European Championships, World Championships (Amateur, formally IFBB Universe) are prestigious contests with the proper names.

What is funny is that The World Championship trophy still has IFBB Universe written on it.

Regarding the Mr. Universe, NABBA still use this historic name and it is still popular today. As well NABBA have their own World Championships.

Unfortunately, the Olympia name is not as prestigious as it was, there are a number of amateur competitions using the same name. That name should of only been kept for the final and not pro qualifiers as well.

What is left of the Olympia is the history.


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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2019, 07:35:43 PM »
Agree with the boxing bit but isnt bodybuilding more like Miss Universe, Miss World, etc. Bodybuilding is a pageant for muscle men. I disagree with too many Olympias but its more money for all involved.

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2019, 03:03:29 AM »
After the split between the IFBB and NPC, the IFBB quicky started their Elite Pro League and created the IFBB Elite Pro World Championship.

Talking to many athletes, even though they know the Olympia name is historic, they prefer to be called a Bodybuilding World Champion.

The IFBB European Championships, World Championships (Amateur, formally IFBB Universe) are prestigious contests with the proper names.

What is funny is that The World Championship trophy still has IFBB Universe written on it.

Regarding the Mr. Universe, NABBA still use this historic name and it is still popular today. As well NABBA have their own World Championships.

Unfortunately, the Olympia name is not as prestigious as it was, there are a number of amateur competitions using the same name. That name should of only been kept for the final and not pro qualifiers as well.

What is left of the Olympia is the history.


I know all of this, I was talking about the general population.

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2019, 04:36:27 AM »
Another way for it to lose it's prestige is ban the current holder from even competing and declaring a sub standard physique 'Mr. Olympia' when there are at least 3 guys out there better than him, let alone winners from decades ago looking far better and making it obvious the quality of physiques has decreased drastically since then.

Rhoden should just do every other show especially the Arnold from now on which would really fuck with the Olympia's 'prestige'

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2019, 07:21:37 AM »
Another way for it to lose it's prestige is ban the current holder from even competing and declaring a sub standard physique 'Mr. Olympia' when there are at least 3 guys out there better than him, let alone winners from decades ago looking far better and making it obvious the quality of physiques has decreased drastically since then.

Rhoden should just do every other show especially the Arnold from now on which would really fuck with the Olympia's 'prestige'
It would be funny if he did that.  The higher ups would be pissed.

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2019, 08:09:52 AM »
Peter McGough is an icon, here is his take the Olympia



THERE’S ONLY ONE OLYMPIA
Keep that name exclusive to bodybuilding’s ultimate contest

By Peter McGough

Back in 1999 there was an idea to stage a Mr. Olympia-Europe in addition to the Mr. Olympia established by Joe Weider in 1965. To preserve the uniqueness of the Mr. Olympia the Europe Olympia idea was quickly shelved and the contest took place as the World Professional Championships. Fast forward to today and we have the Amateur Olympia and a series of contests bearing the Olympia moniker wherein a host of IFBB pro cards are on offer. I’ve received messages from overseas competitors saying they are “Doing the Olympia” when in fact it is one of the aforementioned contests. I’ve even heard winners in non-bodybuilding classes refer to themselves as Olympia champions. A personal opinion is that the title Olympia should be exclusive to the contest created by Joe Weider back in 1965.

As a resident old fart it’s educational to review other sports and their marquee contests and at the conclusion of this narrative discern what happens when a formerly unique franchise is diluted down and therefore loses it impact and prestige.

BACK TO THE ‘60s

By the 1960s every major sport had their own event, which determined who was the best in that particular field. Football had the Super Bowl. Baseball had the World Series. Basketball had the NBA Finals. Ice Hockey had the Stanley Cup. Golf had the Masters in Augusta. Fifty years later those events still stand alone, intact, as the Holy Grail of their sports. There has been no Superbowl-Europe, no Junior World Series, and no NBA Finals II. Their singularity as the ultimate achievement in their sports made those events timelessly iconic as they still are.

On the other hand, boxing was one of the most popular sports in the ‘60s and remained so until around the early ‘90s. The heavyweight champions of the world -- from Rocky Marciano, through Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, and Mike Tyson -- was always one of the most famous people on earth. Nowadays most people don’t know who the heavyweight champion is (there are several), and boxing is no longer the draw it used to be. Why? Because of diluting the prestige of what it meant to hold the ultimate prize -- a world title. In the early ‘60s there was only one federation and only eight weight divisions. At any one time there were only eight men who could call themselves boxing world champions. Over the years other federations were launched and more weight classes were introduced. Today there are four main federations and17 weight classes, meaning at any one time there can be 68 world champions. Thus world titles don’t carry the prestige they once had, the public can’t identify with so many champions, and boxing is no longer the attraction it once was. The reality is when there are so many world champions there is no real world champion.

There’s something to be learned by the recent history of boxing. That’s why I say there should only be one contest bearing the name Olympia. Keep the contest special and unique as the sport’s ultimate accomplishment.

Peter has no muscle and he is quite fat. That has been the case for decades. I don’t know why anyone would care about his opinion when it comes to bodybuilding

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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2019, 09:54:37 AM »
There can never be too many bodybuilding contests and dirty thongs
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Re: There's Only One Olympia and it should stay that way!
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2019, 09:57:49 AM »
Peter McGough is an icon, here is his take the Olympia



THERE’S ONLY ONE OLYMPIA
Keep that name exclusive to bodybuilding’s ultimate contest

By Peter McGough

Back in 1999 there was an idea to stage a Mr. Olympia-Europe in addition to the Mr. Olympia established by Joe Weider in 1965. To preserve the uniqueness of the Mr. Olympia the Europe Olympia idea was quickly shelved and the contest took place as the World Professional Championships. Fast forward to today and we have the Amateur Olympia and a series of contests bearing the Olympia moniker wherein a host of IFBB pro cards are on offer. I’ve received messages from overseas competitors saying they are “Doing the Olympia” when in fact it is one of the aforementioned contests. I’ve even heard winners in non-bodybuilding classes refer to themselves as Olympia champions. A personal opinion is that the title Olympia should be exclusive to the contest created by Joe Weider back in 1965.

As a resident old fart it’s educational to review other sports and their marquee contests and at the conclusion of this narrative discern what happens when a formerly unique franchise is diluted down and therefore loses it impact and prestige.

BACK TO THE ‘60s

By the 1960s every major sport had their own event, which determined who was the best in that particular field. Football had the Super Bowl. Baseball had the World Series. Basketball had the NBA Finals. Ice Hockey had the Stanley Cup. Golf had the Masters in Augusta. Fifty years later those events still stand alone, intact, as the Holy Grail of their sports. There has been no Superbowl-Europe, no Junior World Series, and no NBA Finals II. Their singularity as the ultimate achievement in their sports made those events timelessly iconic as they still are.

On the other hand, boxing was one of the most popular sports in the ‘60s and remained so until around the early ‘90s. The heavyweight champions of the world -- from Rocky Marciano, through Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, and Mike Tyson -- was always one of the most famous people on earth. Nowadays most people don’t know who the heavyweight champion is (there are several), and boxing is no longer the draw it used to be. Why? Because of diluting the prestige of what it meant to hold the ultimate prize -- a world title. In the early ‘60s there was only one federation and only eight weight divisions. At any one time there were only eight men who could call themselves boxing world champions. Over the years other federations were launched and more weight classes were introduced. Today there are four main federations and17 weight classes, meaning at any one time there can be 68 world champions. Thus world titles don’t carry the prestige they once had, the public can’t identify with so many champions, and boxing is no longer the attraction it once was. The reality is when there are so many world champions there is no real world champion.

There’s something to be learned by the recent history of boxing. That’s why I say there should only be one contest bearing the name Olympia. Keep the contest special and unique as the sport’s ultimate accomplishment.

Hes right as far as the purest of BB goes and hes right about boxing many stopped watching because they became greedy made tons of new divisions and every divisions have 5 or 6 weight classes all with belts...sad part is that's its still more accepted then BB
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