Jay's Back Vs. Ramy's Back..

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Christ Sherief; Nasser's body is barely even cold and your balls are already swelling up for a new man crush?  That's bush league.  Have some respect for yourself.

lol

[jude2]

In the 212 Alves just posted today a freaky double Xmas tree shot.

That just doesn't look right. Looks like he lost his mid traps and rhomboids.

[NarcissisticDeity]

some ppl try to show ramy's back as a weak point lacking the necessary details.. being a little behind the rest of him doesn't make it a weak point or let's say dorian's shoulders, chest, and, arms were all weak points not matching his great back in size and condition..

here is a pic. of jay's back from one of his best shows ever (mr. olympia 2001) and ramy's back is clearly wider with more details.. imo ramy's back only needs more thickness to be one of the best backs today.. according to flex magazine (which i dont agree with of cource) jay's back is the best 6th back ever ..

One Jay's back actually got better later than 01 , Two you can't say whose back is wider unless they were standing side-by-side onstage , seriously.

Ramy's back is good better than Nassers was , but not in Jay's league yet

[240 is Back]

I don't even know what to say about this.

[Sherief Shalaby]

One Jay's back actually got better later than 01 , Two you can't say whose back is wider unless they were standing side-by-side onstage , seriously.

Ramy's back is good better than Nassers was , but not in Jay's league yet

one,.. i can say whose back is wider since ramy's dwarfed victor's this year much more than jay's in 2007 even if victors this year was smaller.. two,.. ramy's two back poses are better than jay's at his very best especially his rear lat spread.. his back is wider with better lines and details.. jay's is thicker but with a worse shape and softer..

can anyone post a pic. from mr. olympia 2009 of jay's back??.. i remember it was good and big but again kinda soft and lacked details especially in the lat spread..

[Big Chiro Flex]

I don't even know what to say about this.

Just imagine...

It's 4pm on a Friday afternoon.  Delbert is beat from a long day of hauling pallets on his trusty John Deere forklift. It's a thankless job, long days behind the wheel, always an endless supply of crates to move from point A to point B, his nagging boss Ted always riding his ass about meeting deadlines and quotas and other corporate phrases that he doesn't really care about.  

Delbert's high point of the day is his 25 minute lunch break where he discovers whether his overweight wife Rhonda made him a ham and cheese or bologna  sandwich. But every day, Delbert punches the clock, slaving  away for his 40 hours a week.  He's just a guy trying to get by in this world. The former high school quarterback Allstar is now a mere shadow of his former self. The Marlboros and Keystone Lights have aged him. His youth has been stripped of him over the years  and his once charming, charismatic personality has faded. Delbert is ashamed of his lowly blue collar job. He dreads each hour spent in the musty warehouse.

Delbert is on his way to make the last haul for the day, moving a load from Aisle 23B to 17A. When suddenly, his forklift comes to a hault as a large man with golden hair jumps onto his forklift. Delberts eyes gaze upon this stoic creature; muscles rippling, hair perfectly slicked back, and just the perfect amount of baby oil gently applied to every square inch of his body. The shredded beast slowly turned his head and looked Delbert dead in the eyes. It seemed at this moment as if their souls were touching. The golden headed monster ran his fingers through his lucious blonde locks and said, "Hi....I'm Jay."

[delta9mda]

People, it's ramys first year as a pro. How many years did it take Heath to get to the top?

[Iceman1981]

one,.. i can say whose back is wider since ramy's dwarfed victor's this year much more than jay's in 2007 even if victors this year was smaller.. two,.. ramy's two back poses are better than jay's at his very best especially his rear lat spread.. his back is wider with better lines and details.. jay's is thicker but with a worse shape and softer..

can anyone post a pic. from mr. olympia 2009 of jay's back??.. i remember it was good and big but again kinda soft and lacked details especially in the lat spread..

Even in Jay's best condition his back isn't up there with the greats in my opinion. Rear lat spread is good, but I've seen better back double biceps than his.

[Sherief Shalaby]

Even in Jay's best condition his back isn't up there with the greats in my opinion. Rear lat spread is good, but I've seen better back double biceps than his.

X2 jay's back is good.. but the same way we can say his arms are good.. nothing abnormal.. not benaziza'z level,.. not francois's level and i am not going to mention ronnie or dorian..

at his very best his rear double biceps was very good but still not very hard and not very detailed.. imho ramy is better in the 2 rear shots,.. wider, harder, better shape, more detailed..

[NarcissisticDeity]

one,.. i can say whose back is wider since ramy's dwarfed victor's this year much more than jay's in 2007 even if victors this year was smaller.. two,.. ramy's two back poses are better than jay's at his very best especially his rear lat spread.. his back is wider with better lines and details.. jay's is thicker but with a worse shape and softer..

can anyone post a pic. from mr. olympia 2009 of jay's back??.. i remember it was good and big but again kinda soft and lacked details especially in the lat spread..

one,.. i can say whose back is wider since ramy's dwarfed victor's this year much more than jay's in 2007 even if victors this year was smaller

Wrong , you can say whatever you'd like doesn't make it true. And Ramy dwarfed Vic?  you mean Vic who was a shell of his former self? small and recovering?  Vic was much better in 07 than he was when he faced Ramy I have no doubt Ramy would dwarf him , still doesn't mean shit compared to Jay and like Nasser when with you learn bigger doesn't equate to better?

two,.. ramy's two back poses are better than jay's at his very best especially his rear lat spread.. his back is wider with better lines and details.. jay's is thicker but with a worse shape and softer..

I'm sure you believe that but you believe a lot of fanciful things  Get this through your head , a wider back doesn't mean a better one okay? a wider back doesn't make a better back pose everything must be considered. Jay's back while not close to Dorian or Ronnie , is very good not a weak point.

I like Ramy he's a huge prospect but like I told the Wolf fanboys , hype doesn't win contests. Ramy will make a lot of people look small , just like Nasser did but a lot of people will make him look soft , and imbalanced.

[BRO]

some ppl try to show ramy's back as a weak point lacking the necessary details.. being a little behind the rest of him doesn't make it a weak point or let's say dorian's shoulders, chest, and, arms were all weak points not matching his great back in size and condition..

here is a pic. of jay's back from one of his best shows ever (mr. olympia 2001) and ramy's back is clearly wider with more details.. imo ramy's back only needs more thickness to be one of the best backs today.. according to flex magazine (which i dont agree with of cource) jay's back is the best 6th back ever ..

Who was the top 5 on that list?

[Papper]

Just imagine...

It's 4pm on a Friday afternoon.  Delbert is beat from a long day of hauling pallets on his trusty John Deere forklift. It's a thankless job, long days behind the wheel, always an endless supply of crates to move from point A to point B, his nagging boss Ted always riding his ass about meeting deadlines and quotas and other corporate phrases that he doesn't really care about.  

Delbert's high point of the day is his 25 minute lunch break where he discovers whether his overweight wife Rhonda made him a ham and cheese or bologna  sandwich. But every day, Delbert punches the clock, slaving  away for his 40 hours a week.  He's just a guy trying to get by in this world. The former high school quarterback Allstar is now a mere shadow of his former self. The Marlboros and Keystone Lights have aged him. His youth has been stripped of him over the years  and his once charming, charismatic personality has faded. Delbert is ashamed of his lowly blue collar job. He dreads each hour spent in the musty warehouse.

Delbert is on his way to make the last haul for the day, moving a load from Aisle 23B to 17A. When suddenly, his forklift comes to a hault as a large man with golden hair jumps onto his forklift. Delberts eyes gaze upon this stoic creature; muscles rippling, hair perfectly slicked back, and just the perfect amount of baby oil gently applied to every square inch of his body. The shredded beast slowly turned his head and looked Delbert dead in the eyes. It seemed at this moment as if their souls were touching. The golden headed monster ran his fingers through his lucious blonde locks and said, "Hi....I'm Jay."

Got something there. It could turn out Jay had escaped from a large crate heading for Abu Dhabi.

[The Grim Lifter]

Ramy might get third, at least top 6. But on the video i saw of him vs Victor, it was almost dead even. I don't think he has a chance against Heath or Kai, but the rest you don't know.

[Sherief Shalaby]

Wrong , you can say whatever you'd like doesn't make it true. And Ramy dwarfed Vic?  you mean Vic who was a shell of his former self? small and recovering?  Vic was much better in 07 than he was when he faced Ramy I have no doubt Ramy would dwarf him , still doesn't mean shit compared to Jay and like Nasser when with you learn bigger doesn't equate to better?


I'm sure you believe that but you believe a lot of fanciful things  Get this through your head , a wider back doesn't mean a better one okay? a wider back doesn't make a better back pose everything must be considered. Jay's back while not close to Dorian or Ronnie , is very good not a weak point.

I like Ramy he's a huge prospect but like I told the Wolf fanboys , hype doesn't win contests. Ramy will make a lot of people look small , just like Nasser did but a lot of people will make him look soft , and imbalanced.

do you have a brain to understand things or you use your ass??.. did i say a wider back must be a better back??.. i was mentioning ramy's better points over jay's (width, details, and, shape).. and jay's better point imo (thickness)..

i also said clearly jay's back is good but not great.. even at his very best it's not very hard in the rls and not very detailed..

as for mentioning nasser, at his best he was not only big but was very hard and detailed all over except his back.. so no one was making him soft from the front or the side.. only from the rear.. ramy's back is good and not soft.. all over he is not soft and logically he will be in a better condition this time than his first pro. show.. even if he presented the same condition as last time i think he still has a chance to be in the top 3 because you dont expect all the other top guys to come at their very best.. this rarely happens..

i just want you guys to not be that harsh when judging ramy,.. he is still young and new and at the same time is very comparable to the best of the best so logically when/if he improves he has a big chance to be the next big thing.. he is much more promising now than all the current top pros when they first appeared.. no one of them was expected to be mr. olympia from the current top guys at his very first show,.. jay, phil, kai, dex... may be the only one was wolf but he disappointed his fans after that.. i  see ramy bigger and better than wolf in all poses..

so let's see if he can improve and achieve big things or if he will be another wolf..

[Sherief Shalaby]

Who was the top 5 on that list?

check it here.. very stupid choices..

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=139300073&page=1

[The Ugly]

check it here.. very stupid choices..

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=139300073&page=1

Jay doesn't belong that high on the list.

[Sherief Shalaby]

Jay doesn't belong that high on the list.

most of the guys after him in this list have much better backs,.. francois, samir, benaziza, wheeler just to mention a few of them..

[The Ugly]

most of the guys after him in this list have much better backs,.. francois, samir, benaziza, wheeler just to mention a few of them..

All have better backs than Jay.

[Sherief Shalaby]

All have better backs than Jay.

yes and ramy too has a better back than jay although his back is still not as great as most of the guys in this list..

[old-school-lifter]

top 8 backs

1. ronnie
2. haney
3. dorian
4. Kai
5. Samir
6. momo
7. stubbs
8. flex

[Sherief Shalaby]

top 8 backs

1. ronnie
2. haney
3. dorian
4. Kai
5. Samir
6. momo
7. stubbs
8. flex

i prefer dorian's over ronnie's especially in the RLS..

kai's back is great but i dont like its shape and it's kinda soft in the RLS pose.. still better than jay's..

[Mr Nobody]

i prefer dorian's over ronnie's especially in the RLS..

kai's back is great but i dont like its shape and it's kinda soft in the RLS pose.. still better than jay's..

I got Jimmy in 4th and Basile last. 

[Sherief Shalaby]

I got Jimmy in 4th and Basile last. 

X2

and your grandpa's must be in the top 5 too