What is this generation of pro-bodybuilers NOT doing right?

[Disgusted]

Stupid discussion.

Your answer is INSULIN!

End of thread.

Pretty much this. Has nothing to do with when someone starts drugs, rather it's what they are using and abusing for years that creates this horrible look. Some of the guys from the 90's started using in their teens, but never ended up like the guys who currently use excess amounts of slin and GH.

[local hero]

late 80's and early 90's were the mega dosing years, late 90's on were the insulin era,,, look back over old pics and you can see conditioning as a whole slowly start to wash away to where its at now, because at the moment only one or two guys know how ( or maybe they dont and just have the genes to pull it off?)to come in peeled while relying on heavy slin/gh use


best examples of this phenomenon is when they are standing totaly relaxed.. 80's and 90's didnt even need to tense or hit a shot, they were nails just standing there doing nowt... now take phill heath, the best of the current crop condition wise, nothing happens till the shot is hit... lower down the pecking order nothing much happens even when fully tensed.
 

[local hero]

ironicaly, the slef denial is interesting.

they lie to themselves the cuts gonna come back with diet, but they wont.

i have a frend who turned pro,now retired(disillusioned), he started the gh and bit slin,and he never again got his back to be dry, and hell, not even the brachialis to pop out somewhat.

i mean,hell, the brachialis should be visible on a pro when they flex things.

its similiar to when one is shredded and starts to eat like shit, the fat will come back somewhat slow, layered, wont be obvious too fast.then boom, one day, not a line in sight anymore.

talked to another retired pro and asked him where the guts are coming from.
he told me,"well, go and try to be 260lbs on stage and see if you can pull it off without a gut".

interesting thing is ,that guy is on hrt or hrt*2 these days ,just to function, and he looks his best he ever did imo.no gut, quite the size, and conditioning looks no more than 2-3 weeks out of stage year round.

yep,, because it isnt forced size...... forced through excess eating and extreme insulin/gh/ped abuses...

[local hero]

your preaching from the same hymn book as my self as ive said in many other threads..... 

[Parker]

lol that is not a fair picture of Steve..... I know this thread is geared towards guys who have been in the sport since the 90's and grew up with those pro's... But I will add my 2  cents. I would have to disagree with saying that its the generational thinking thing though and I don't mean that disrespectful at all im just saying in my opinion the pro's were a lot better in the 90's. And I am 24 and got in to working out heavily and learning about bodybuilding when dexter Jackson was the Mr.olympia. He actually was a great Mr.olympia for his size and had the crazy cuts. But I just wanted to basically say being some one from the new era of body building fans and wanting to enhance my physique and get deeper in the sport. I would say my motivation is guys like dorian and kevin levrone over Phil heath or kai greene. kai greene's motivational thinking though and some of his speeches I really do value though. He does have some great information no matter what people think of his physique or past.

 I think guys are trying to come in just to big and they are sacrificing conditioning. That is my opinion I don't know exactly if it is due to drugs or due to judges awarding the bigger physique that brings in the crowd more. I mean look at all the hype around Big ramy if some one was crazy conditioned like ramy is big it wouldn't have given that guy the same fame if that makes sense. People just want big bodybuilders and the bodybuilders now days are sacrificing condition to get to that point. Not to mention a genetic lottery was won by the fans to see so many gifted bodybuilders in the 90's. It could be a once in body building history type of event that happen.

Dex represents the 90s bbers. Dude started out competing at like 135.

It's not just generational, what you and all of us see is what is reflective of today's society. Being a slacker is celebrated. Not putting in the time and work. I myself have seen guys who haven't been to the gym, yet they have gone out and bought steroids, and GH, and brag about what their cycle will be.

This is based from the Baby Boomer Mentality---to always feel good and happy, who the hell wants to work for it or suffer? The easiest way to a big physique is to hop on drugs.

Take that mentality, plus the drugs that are probably more widely available, but are apparently less quality, and you have shittier physiques. Also, the gene pool is not like it was in the 90s. Hell, Flex didn't get his Pro card on the first try. I think Phil Heath did, and so did Rich Jones...and we have raved about them. So, it shows you just how the quality has changed.


Also to further back up my statements, Ronnie Coleman himself famously stated, "Everybody want to be a bodybuilder. But nobody wants to lift heavy ass weights"

Everybody wants XYZ today, but nobody wants to put the time and effort in (and suffer) to get the desired results. Half assin' it suffices in this world...

Yeah like Kobe and Lebron are compared to Jordan, please

[kyomu]

Dex represents the 90s bbers. Dude started out competing at like 135.

It's not just generational, what you and all of us see is what is reflective of today's society. Being a slacker is celebrated. Not putting in the time and work. I myself have seen guys iwho haven't been to the gym, yet they have gone out and bought steroids, and GH, and brag about what their cycle will be.

This is based from the Baby Boomer Mentality---to always feel good and happy, who the hell wants to work for it or suffer? The easiest way to a big physique is to hop on drugs.

Take that mentality, plus the drugs that are probably more widely available, but are apparently less quality, and you have shittier physiques. Also, the gene pool is not like it was in the 90s. Hell, Flex didn't get his Pro card on the first try. I think Phil Heath did, and so did Rich Jones...and we have raved about them. So, it shows you just how the quality has changed.


Also to further back up my statements, Ronnie Coleman himself famously stated, "Everybody want to be a bodybuilder. But nobody wants to lift heavy ass weights"

Everybody wants XYZ today, but nobody wants to put the time and effort in (and suffer) to get the desired results. Half assin' it suffices in this world...

Yeah like Kobe and Lebron are compared to Jordan, please

Thats why Dex is the hardest

[njflex]

Thats why Dex is the hardest

does it very low key no smoke and mirrors,u see him x weeks from show time in full top and sweats no sneek peaks old school.

[MAXX]

bb was more popular in the 90's

so there was a deeper more competetive field.

internet kind of exposed bb for what it is and turns people away from it.

[bigbadwolfe]

I miss the good ole days of late 80's early 90's bodybuilding and weightlifting. I remember buying my first tub of Weider protein and some Cybergenixs back in the day. Todays bodybuilding truly does not compare, dont get me wrong I love how crazy big these fuckers get on all the drugs. But the sleek slim waists and striations of yester year were awesome. 94 Arnold Andreas munzers conditioning was sickening!!!! I miss those days, thats when I wanted to be a bodybuilder, the days of Crazee Wear Otomixs and Rag tops! Yeah Buddy!!!

[dj181]

speaking of cybergenics, anyone remember this italian stallion

[njflex]

speaking of cybergenics, anyone remember this italian stallion

YES and he was leveled in nj at the beach at popular day/nitespot so goes the legend....nj has some of the greats Italian/americans gaspari,santoriello,galanti,baretta,dente,,,,me lol..

[Cableguy]

From a guy that has been following bodybuilding since I was about 15 (1977), here's my two cents. In the quest for more size and conditioning, more and more drugs are being used. Combine that with a greatly diminished number of genetically gifted people competing today, and bodybuilding has devolved pretty fast. As has been mentioned, obtaining a good base of muscle size before slamming the slin and going on super stacks of anabolics was probably a factor as well.

Looking at the video posted by dj181 is a good reminder of what real bodybuilding should be about. Franco Santoriello displayed a great combination of size, shape and conditioning. His physique flowed beautifully, with great conditioning and seperation, with not a hint of a bloated belly to be seen.

Speaking of seperation, todays pros, while having low bodyfat when in shape, seem to lack that deep seperation within each muscle group, as well as between different muscle groups. I'm sure rampant abuse of petroleum products has a lot to do with that...

I think bodybuilding pretty much reached it's zenith by the mid nineties for displaying the best combination of size, shape, and conditioning. From there, the emphasis should have been to strive for more refinement and seperation, if anything.

I think I'm being pretty objective, and not "generational". I'd love to see things start evolving again.

[flinstones1]

Stupid discussion.

Your answer is INSULIN!

End of thread.

blame the big bad insulin.

nevermind the  misuse/overuse of test, insane amounts of food,  and the fact that  legit negma parabolan isn't around.