Dorian Yates doesn't believe in deadlifts off the floor, totally useless he says

[dj181]

is it true that the start of the dead works the upper back and lats more and the finishing part shifts more of the workload to the lower back, ass and hammies?

some dude here on this site said this to me so i'm curious what others have to say about it

[Cleanest Natural]

details .. personally I would shy away from deads .. for bodybuilding I see no point

[chaos]

There is no such thing as full range of motion when talking of the common exercises. Who decided deadlifting should be done from the height the common 45lb plate is set at? Which muscle are fully extended and fully contracted through the common floor deadlift? This reasoning can be applied to any exercise.

Basically none of the common exercises work a muscle through its full range of motion, while applying resistance throughout.

Muscle basically knows tension. That's pretty much it.

Full range of motion pertains to the motion of the movement.

[Teutonic Knight]

kai greene is really mad in this video

refuses dorians advice


lol dumb bastard

You obviously believe in everything ever filmed  

[galeniko]

There is no such thing as full range of motion when talking of the common exercises. Who decided deadlifting should be done from the height the common 45lb plate is set at? Which muscle are fully extended and fully contracted through the common floor deadlift? This reasoning can be applied to any exercise.

Basically none of the common exercises work a muscle through its full range of motion, while applying resistance throughout.

Muscle basically knows tension. That's pretty much it.

while its true a muscle cant really be "stretched",lenght is given, it can only contract, something simple like bicep curls will give pretty much full rom.

it get smore complicated with shoulders,though

[njflex]

while its true a muscle cant really be "stretched",lenght is given, it can only contract, something simple like bicep curls will give pretty much full rom.

it get smore complicated with shoulders,though

true,,

[galeniko]

true,,

good thing i read that in some medical book, for i was about to get a pec tear or something from overly extremly "stretching" during flies.

the pains at times felt like really clse to snapping something.

cant stretch the pecs, or give them other form, they grpow as a whole and when lean enough they gonna look good on pretty much everyone.

there was that rule that if the inner lower pec dont dissapear during fdb, it has enough size.makes sense.

but even after all those years, when bit watery of fatty around chest(lower pecs and armpits are typical male fatstores)makes me want to "stretch" it more, but its got nothing to do with iit,when shredded,it suddenly "Looks" bigger and perfect shape(the plate look")haha,even my tiny titts do

[njflex]

good thing i read that in some medical book, for i was about to get a pec tear or something from overly extremly "stretching" during flies.

the pains at times felt like really clse to snapping something.

cant stretch the pecs, or give them other form, they grpow as a whole and when lean enough they gonna look good on pretty much everyone.

there was that rule that if the inner lower pec dont dissapear during fdb, it has enough size.makes sense.

but even after all those years, when bit watery of fatty around chest(lower pecs and armpits are typical male fatstores)makes me want to "stretch" it more, but its got nothing to do with iit,when shredded,it suddenly "Looks" bigger and perfect shape(the plate look")haha,even my tiny titts do

good point,,true,,see a lot of young lifters stretching wide and low with flyes...if abs and chest are lean /shaped your set..eyes go up/down or vice versa..

[galeniko]

good point,,true,,see a lot of young lifters stretching wide and low with flyes...if abs and chest are lean /shaped your set..eyes go up/down or vice versa..

yeah, being fat makes even the best do some ridiculous dumb things haha

also when theres a layer of fat on abs, i always think this and that needs maybe a crunch etc.

but its realy simply covered in fat and thats it.when shredded and standing relaxed it all pops out nicely, no need to even flex a thing.

the worst case with all this is the back, when its blurred in bloof you actualy think(bc of the brainwashing)that you lost all details, which you have, but not that its gone, theres just layers of fat on the muscle.

this is why when the layer gets smaller, more skin falls on the muscle="Bigger" look.

haha,i really start that thinking every time when the back gets soft, only to discover all pops out again when lean.

this is another testimony why certain movements for certain muscles dont mean growth by default, its best to just randomly do many exercises and honestly! feel out which one makes on benefit most.

surely a guy with broad shoulder structure and small shoulder structure guy will not have the same benefits from deadlifts for example.

the shape of muscle and insertion is so given, cant do shit about it, all one can try to get the best look is when shredded,then the flaws show less.

that said even a guy with 100 structural flaws is better than the skinnfat turd or the fatties who dont do anything.

[bigmc]

"Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder but don't nobody want to lift no heavy-ass weights!" - Ronnie Coleman, man who had the biggest muscles in the world.

He did 800 solid-ass pounds in the squat and deadlift, did he do this regularly? Or was it just for show on his training video?

look at the state of him now

all those huge lifters like ronnie and dorian

tore their bodies to shreds

if you want to lift weights untill you are older you have to look after your body

i lost years on shoulder and back injuries from ego lifting

i wish id trained smarter

[njflex]

look at the state of him now

all those huge lifters like ronnie and dorian

tore their bodies to shreds

if you want to lift weights untill you are older you have to look after your body

i lost years on shoulder and back injuries from ego lifting

i wish id trained smarter

good post..

[flinstones1]

Nobody said he had to become a power lifter...but exchanging drugs for a decent base is ridiculous.

moderation is the key to anything in life. Start light, work your way up.

personally,  I took my i bench from 175 for a couple reps to 365 for a couple reps  without ever putting more than 2 plates on the bar.

[chaos]

look at the state of him now

all those huge lifters like ronnie and dorian

tore their bodies to shreds

if you want to lift weights untill you are older you have to look after your body

i lost years on shoulder and back injuries from ego lifting

i wish id trained smarter

Training smart and heavy.

[anabolichalo]

Training smart and heavy.

impossible

either one or the other

[Mawse]

Van B and Gal are both right, Gal mentioned that squatting 405 for a few sets of 10 absolutely perfect reps would be all youd need to give you big legs and he's right imo , you need to balance a certain amount of weight with that perfect form. Not stupid bouncy reps or half reps, but taking 3 seconds to go all the way down, pause a second then squeeze out the bottom. Most people have no idea how hard it is to squat like that, or how much your legs burn after doing it.

lifting 135 for 2 hours will probably only work for those with the best genetic response, but doing 225 for 10x10 with not much rest between sets and slow negatives would probably be a lot better. And if you could do 315 for 10x10 with the same form, obviously you'd be bigger.

It's when retards confuse CNS training and max single, or triple training, with hypertrophy. Doing 3 sets of 1-3 reps in an hour with super heavy weights and no negative to speak of isn't the best way to build muscle, and certainly isn't a good idea if you're planning on doing this into your 50's

[Mr Nobody]

How about I dont give a piss about what he did he beat the piss out of everyone for years.

[chaos]

impossible

either one or the other

Bullshit.

[danabol]

kai greene is really mad in this video

refuses dorians advice


lol dumb bastard

yep...see the size of Yates in that vid...

[danabol]

Dorian looks huge in this video

X 2..all the way big dude 

[thebrink]

Yeah, but I wonder how many actually built a natural base. In my opinion building a natural base doesnt mean training naturally from 12 years old to 15 years, then taking gear from 16 years old to 40 years old. I think to build a natural base, you need to probably work out naturally at least to your early 20's at least, then juice (if you want to). Look at Bostin Loyd. That moron is going to deflate once he stops using. He most likely started to juice too early.

Then again, I know shit about using any gear. But seems like people are too quick to jump on, then later on in life, they cant hold onto any muscle.

There are plenty of guys on here who maintain good size without ped's.. Those bb'ers are just lazy and won't train without gear.