need help in the most important phase of my life

[wanna be huge]

happy new year good friends !

atlast finished my 8 wks of sustanen500/wk. GAINED: 7lbs and 1/2 inch overall on body..
hence now getting ready for PCT and assume things are gonna be challenging from here in terms of keeping my HARDearned,pocket empting gains..
so people please please correct me where im wrong..

PCT: 1st day-clomid 100mg + nolva-60mg.
   then 2 wks clomid 50 mg +nolva 40 mg
then last 1 wk only 20 mg nolva..


2nd:as i will be using clomid +nolva im gonna be entering the DEPRESSION zone, so what to use or do to counter that?

3rd:diet :will be keeping cals/carbs/protriens high till pct is over.

4th:exercise: 3 times a wk heavy and shot.

5th:sex:wiull use CALIS whenever needed (lol).

6th:to keep SIZE (not bothered of strength) should i add creatine??


so mates plz help me in this phase...
feel free to comment !

[DIVISION]

atlast finished my 8 wks of sustanen500/wk. GAINED: 7lbs and 1/2 inch overall on body..

PCT: 1st day-clomid 100mg + nolva-60mg.
   then 2 wks clomid 50 mg +nolva 40 mg
then last 1 wk only 20 mg nolva..

Did you taper off Sustanon or jump straight off?

How long has it been since your last shot?

Let me know.





DIV

[bigjohN79]

I would run your PCT at least another 2 weeks or so, I like running mine 5 weeks total.  Some St. John's wort might help u through ur depression and "what not". 



P.s I thought your title was too dramatic for the information enclosed, but it did make me life.  PCT has been your most important phase of your life thus far?  Damm!!

[DIVISION]

P.s I thought your title was too dramatic for the information enclosed, but it did make me life.  PCT has been your most important phase of your life thus far?  Damm!!

Some kids hate losing gains.  For them, losing gains is worse than losing a loved one.   



DIV

[wanna be huge]

DIv, its been a week since im off gear..
i did taper the last wk only

[DIVISION]

DIv, its been a week since im off gear..
i did taper the last wk only

The half-life of Sustanon is 15 days.......which means you should have tapered over a month instead of one week.

The drug is still in your system so it's pointless to start PCT right now.

You should have used Prop the last four weeks and you wouldn't have this problem.

Now you have to wait.......and your gains will slowly dissapear in to the night.



DIV

[wanna be huge]

meaning, i am not gonna b able to keep any?
as i had very negligible bloat.

[wannabehuge]

Taper with sus-250? Just start taking hcg a week after your last shot. I NEVER taper, it doesn't work. Just worry about getting your normal test level back as fast as possible. Using hcg and clomid.

[DIVISION]

Taper with sus-250? Just start taking hcg a week after your last shot. I NEVER taper, it doesn't work. Just worry about getting your normal test level back as fast as possible. Using hcg and clomid.

Evidently you didn't understand what I've been preaching on here for the last couple months.

You don't "taper" off Sustanon, you switch to Prop four weeks out from PCT so all the esters dissipate from the system.  I called it tapering thinking you'd read past the word and use your common sense.  I was wrong.

For a short 8 week cycle, he can use HCG and Nolvadex for PCT without any complications.  I am starting to turn away from Clomid use for PCT as it is not as efficient as Nolvadex.  I would not run them both together.




DIV

[wannabehuge]

meaning, i am not gonna b able to keep any?
as i had very negligible bloat.

Yes you can keep your gains. You won't keep all of them. Don't lesson to DIV he is being a dick on this one. Just take your clomid try and get some hcg. I have even used that 6-OXO I think it called, at double the dose and it has helped out.

[Arnold jr]

I'm beginning to like the idea of tapering and switching to prop the last few weeks of a cycle. I've never done that before, I've always for instance started PCT 3 wks after last  injection. But there has been a lot of valid points made on here about switching to prop in order to start PCT right away...wil definitely do this next go around.

[wannabehuge]

switching to prop is a good idea but just because this kid didn't, doesn't mean he can't keep most of his gains.

[DIVISION]

switching to prop is a good idea but just because this kid didn't, doesn't mean he can't keep most of his gains.

I suppose I was being a dick, but I hate to see kids fuck up a cycle by not planning it out right, esp the PCT.

He'll learn.....




DIV

[wanna be huge]

so now wat ,start pct after3 wk???

and is clomid really needed or nolva will do?

[DIVISION]

so now wat ,start pct after3 wk???

and is clomid really needed or nolva will do?

After only 8 weeks you could get by with Nolvadex and HCG, but by all means if you have the Clomid you can use that too.

You can't taper because you already finished the cycle.




DIV

[wanna be huge]

pkie
will do my pct what i mentioned,hope its right!

[wannabehuge]

I suppose I was being a dick, but I hate to see kids f**k up a cycle by not planning it out right, esp the PCT.

He'll learn.....




DIV

Very True, I had to learn the hard way.

[wanna be huge]

what about the mentioned creatine will it do any good.

ps: already noticed that the tightness in my muscles are gone!

[freeagain]

what about the mentioned creatine will it do any good.

ps: already noticed that the tightness in my muscles are gone!

if ya got the bucks.. hit the GH from day 1 of your cycle and keep it goin for months after your cycle has finished! im quite sure you could keep most of your gains... doesnt clen help too due to its anticatabolic nature ?

[DIVISION]

doesnt clen help too due to its anticatabolic nature ?

Clen is neither catabolic nor anabolic.

It maintains status quo, which coming off a cycle would an anabolic state. 

Basically it is anabolic by default because it prevents the body from going in to a catabolic state.




DIV

[Double XL]

WANNA BE HUGE,  YOU DID A CYCLE, YOU ARE FINISHING IT, AND ARE JUST NOW ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT PCT?  NOT GOOD.  YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS TYPE OF SHIT BEFORE YOU PUT STEROIDS IN YOUR BODY.   DOING A CYCLE ISNT LIKE SMOKING A JOINT, DO YOUR FUCKING RESEARCH. 

I SINCERELY HOPE YOU LOSE ALL OF YOUR GAINS, GET ACNE AND A LIMP DICK(I WOULD WISH GYNO ON YOU TOO, BUT IM IN A GOOD MOOD SO ILL SPARE YOU) THEN MAYBE NEXT TIME YOU WONT BE SUCH AN IDIOT.

[gammahydroxy]

Clen is neither catabolic nor anabolic.

It maintains status quo, which coming off a cycle would an anabolic state. 

Basically it is anabolic by default because it prevents the body from going in to a catabolic state.




DIV

Clen has been documented to be anabolic in animals, not in humans..

[DIVISION]

Clen has been documented to be anabolic in animals, not in humans..

Well I'm talking about humans........not animals.

It's neither anabolic, nor catabolic........though, if the body is already in a superimposed anabolic state, it reinforces that.  Hence, in the case of a a bodybuilder using AAS, Clen is anabolic by default.



DIV

[wanna be huge]

WANNA BE HUGE,  YOU DID A CYCLE, YOU ARE FINISHING IT, AND ARE JUST NOW ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT PCT?  NOT GOOD.  YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS TYPE OF SHIT BEFORE YOU PUT STEROIDS IN YOUR BODY.   DOING A CYCLE ISNT LIKE SMOKING A JOINT, DO YOUR FUCKING RESEARCH. 

I SINCERELY HOPE YOU LOSE ALL OF YOUR GAINS, GET ACNE AND A LIMP DICK(I WOULD WISH GYNO ON YOU TOO, BUT IM IN A GOOD MOOD SO ILL SPARE YOU) THEN MAYBE NEXT TIME YOU WONT BE SUCH AN IDIOT.

thanks mate but u dint mention roid rage, that i ve got so,
u fcuking assole/mother f @#%ing bas$#rd/ who the heck ui are? did i tell u pusasy to do a researdch for me or did i pm u?
U LOUSY pevert just shut ur shit hole mouth up...

aah sorry that is the only side effect i got   

[wannabehuge]

You know db-xl alot of people didn't do reasearch on there first cycle. So don't be a dick, he just wanted to know how to keep it. I'm sure next time he will be a little bit more prepared.