NBA - Grant says the Heat "wouldn't have had a chance" against MJ Bulls

[UPINTHEMGUTS]

LeBron is a lot more athletic then Jordan, Jordan was certainly more agile and acrobatic though. Lebron is like 250 plus and 6'8, many players have went on record to state he is the fastest up the court, he makes others look like they are standing still at times, kinda like westbrook.

No and no.

Not doubting Lebron's athleticism...he's a freak of nature. But Jordan was a bigger freak of nature. And Lebron is not as fast as Westbrook. Let's not talk nonsense. Westbrook is a dart.

Yes...I'm on Jordan's dick. He's the greatest player that ever lived. No player except Kobe had a greater will to win and flat out beat your ass. Jordan was an assassin in shorts.

[Hulkotron]

Jordan 6/6 in the Finals, impressive achievement

[Palpatine Q]

Why do people cling so tightly to "their" guy ?

Lebron is great too...just as good as Jordan

[JOHN MATRIX]

Lebron is more of a genetic freak than jordan, being 6-81/2 and 250+ while having the speed and handling of a pg...however this just makes Jordan all the more impressive as his numbers dwarfed even lebron's while having a lesser body than lebron.

Jordan's edge is that his fundamentals and skills were as perfected as anyone who has every played; this is what allowed him to continue to put up big numbers even as he got older and his athleticism declined(same as we see with tim duncan and kobe bryant today). Lebron is much more dependent on sheer athleticism/power than jordan was, and doesnt have nearly the same skill level and as such his numbers will drop off considerably the minute his youthful athleticism starts going.

The current miami team is very similar to jordans bulls teams in both structure, the things they emphasize,  and the way they play; that said id still pick the jordan bulls to beat them, simply because the difference would be jordans superior killer instinct a d clutch play.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Jordan did something that I have only seen one other player do and that is Westbrook in the last series and that is jump up for a dunk and somehow make time stand still.  Insane what these guys could do in the air.  Westbrook is vastly underrated.  Hate the guy but he is probably a better player than Durant.  Durant is a sick shooter but Westbrook can do a lot more on the court.

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[UPINTHEMGUTS]

Lebron is more of a genetic freak than jordan, being 6-81/2 and 250+ while having the speed and handling of a pg...however this just makes Jordan all the more impressive as his numbers dwarfed even lebron's while having a lesser body than lebron.

Jordan's edge is that his fundamentals and skills were as perfected as anyone who has every played; this is what allowed him to continue to put up big numbers even as he got older and his athleticism declined(same as we see with tim duncan and kobe bryant today). Lebron is much more dependent on sheer athleticism/power than jordan was, and doesnt have nearly the same skill level and as such his numbers will drop off considerably the minute his youthful athleticism starts going.

The current miami team is very similar to jordans bulls teams in both structure, the things they emphasize,  and the way they play; that said id still pick the jordan bulls to beat them, simply because the difference would be jordans superior killer instinct a d clutch play.

Disagree. Let's not forget that we're comparing two players that played two different positions. Once Lebron reaches his mid-30's he'll still be deadly despite decreased athleticism. The reason is because he's starting to develop a post game and playing with his back to the basket. He obviously has the size for it. He won't need to bring the ball upcourt or stay on the wing. He can be an effective 4 player well into late 30's, I think.

[JOHN MATRIX]

Disagree. Let's not forget that we're comparing two players that played two different positions. Once Lebron reaches his mid-30's he'll still be deadly despite decreased athleticism. The reason is because he's starting to develop a post game and playing with his back to the basket. He obviously has the size for it. He won't need to bring the ball upcourt or stay on the wing. He can be an effective 4 player well into late 30's, I think.

He certainly can, but it is all dependent on whether or not he can develop said fundamentals to a high level. He is a long long way from the types of skill jordan and even kobe have with back to basket

[Ronnie Rep]

No and no.

Not doubting Lebron's athleticism...he's a freak of nature. But Jordan was a bigger freak of nature. And Lebron is not as fast as Westbrook. Let's not talk nonsense. Westbrook is a dart.

Yes...I'm on Jordan's dick. He's the greatest player that ever lived. No player except Kobe had a greater will to win and flat out beat your ass. Jordan was an assassin in shorts.

Here is where you are blinded by your hero worship of Jordan. Will and physical ability are 2 different things, Lebron can, and has played and defended all 5 positions on the court. Jordan didn't nor did he have the physical ability to do it. Only Magic has ever done that. Lebron is more of a combination of the two a high bred that has never been seen in the NBA.

[Hulkotron]

LeBron's shooting (mid range and 3s) has improved a lot.  People say his post-up game has improved but I don't see it, he seems to get pretty much all his points from drives and long jumpers.  I haven't watched him much (at all, really) this year though.

He's a much better 3pt shooter than Jordan was.  Jordan was only consistent on threes for those few years where they moved the line into 19 feet or whatever it was.

[240 is Back]

refs tipped it for MJ in the playoffs whenever he was behind.  

The phantom fouls when CHI was down 0-2 to the Knicks were sickening.

They beat the shit out of LeBron on half his drives and he doesn't get that many whistles.

jordan had the coolest attitude ever- fcking cruel, insecure a-hole that dominated a player while smiling for the McCameras.
Lebron was soft as a popcorn fart, let's be honest.  Given the world and "king james" nickname before finishing high school.  Heck, he signed a 90 mil Adidas deal the day the high school basketball season ended lol.  nike and reebok were putting up billboards near St-V high school begging him to join lol.

[UPINTHEMGUTS]

Here is where you are blinded by your hero worship of Jordan. Will and physical ability are 2 different things, Lebron can, and has played and defended all 5 positions on the court. Jordan didn't nor did he have the physical ability to do it. Only Magic has ever done that. Lebron is more of a combination of the two a high bred that has never been seen in the NBA.

Ok....so Lebron can defend all 5 positions and Jordan can't. But why would Jordan need to? Jordan was a SHOOTING GUARD. Lebron is 6'8", 250 pounds. Jordan was 6'6" and 215 pounds. This doesn't make Lebron the better player by virtue of his ability to guard all 5 positions. Because it doesn't mean Lebron can guard all positions equally and effectively. Stick Lebron on Russell Westbrook every night and LeBron would need backside help every time Westbrook would drive to the basket.

ok...Magic has done that before too. So by your logic, Magic was a better player than Jordan? No, but he was close. Magic rarely played all 5 positions and never really had to. He started at center once as a rookie in the 1980 NBA finals. What other occasion did he showcase his ability to play all 5 positions effectively? By comparison, Jordan played the point guard position in '89 for an entire season and was outstanding, statistics-wise.

Has Lebron ever won defensive player of the year honors along with MVP honors in the same year? Nope. That right there to me, shows Jordan was a better all around player than Lebron is now, not because of being able to play all 5 positions because of your size.

[Ronnie Rep]

Ok....so Lebron can defend all 5 positions and Jordan can't. But why would Jordan need to? Jordan was a SHOOTING GUARD. Lebron is 6'8", 250 pounds. Jordan was 6'6" and 215 pounds. This doesn't make Lebron the better player by virtue of his ability to guard all 5 positions. Because it doesn't mean Lebron can guard all positions equally and effectively. Stick Lebron on Russell Westbrook every night and LeBron would need backside help every time Westbrook would drive to the basket.

ok...Magic has done that before too. So by your logic, Magic was a better player than Jordan? No, he wasn't. Jordan played the point guard position in '89 and had an outstanding season statistics-wise.

Has Lebron ever won defensive player of the year honors along with MVP honors in the same year? Nope.


[/quote ]Never said he was a better player than Lebron, he is a better more gifted athlete than Jordan. That certainly may change when it is all said and done and Lebron retires.

[UPINTHEMGUTS]

ok....so where am I 'blinded' by my hero worship of Jordan? my argument since the start of this thread was that Jordan was/is the better player than LeBron. I'm using facts to support my argument.

[Ronnie Rep]

This comparison of Lebron to Jordan should not even be discussed for it least another 5 years.

[UPINTHEMGUTS]

This comparison of Lebron to Jordan should not even be discussed for it least another 5 years.

Fair enough. But back to the original threads topic....Jordan's Bulls would handle Lebron's Heat.

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[El Diablo Blanco]

Whoever quoted that James can defend all positions is full of shit.  That didn't work so well when he tried to stop Parker last year.  James couldn't guard Dwight Howard if he tried.  Shaq in his prime would have squashed James.

Ok....so Lebron can defend all 5 positions and Jordan can't. But why would Jordan need to? Jordan was a SHOOTING GUARD. Lebron is 6'8", 250 pounds. Jordan was 6'6" and 215 pounds. This doesn't make Lebron the better player by virtue of his ability to guard all 5 positions. Because it doesn't mean Lebron can guard all positions equally and effectively. Stick Lebron on Russell Westbrook every night and LeBron would need backside help every time Westbrook would drive to the basket.

ok...Magic has done that before too. So by your logic, Magic was a better player than Jordan? No, but he was close. Magic rarely played all 5 positions and never really had to. He started at center once as a rookie in the 1980 NBA finals. What other occasion did he showcase his ability to play all 5 positions effectively? By comparison, Jordan played the point guard position in '89 for an entire season and was outstanding, statistics-wise.

Has Lebron ever won defensive player of the year honors along with MVP honors in the same year? Nope. That right there to me, shows Jordan was a better all around player than Lebron is now, not because of being able to play all 5 positions because of your size.

[Necrosis]

Lebron is more of a genetic freak than jordan, being 6-81/2 and 250+ while having the speed and handling of a pg...however this just makes Jordan all the more impressive as his numbers dwarfed even lebron's while having a lesser body than lebron.

Jordan's edge is that his fundamentals and skills were as perfected as anyone who has every played; this is what allowed him to continue to put up big numbers even as he got older and his athleticism declined(same as we see with tim duncan and kobe bryant today). Lebron is much more dependent on sheer athleticism/power than jordan was, and doesnt have nearly the same skill level and as such his numbers will drop off considerably the minute his youthful athleticism starts going.

The current miami team is very similar to jordans bulls teams in both structure, the things they emphasize,  and the way they play; that said id still pick the jordan bulls to beat them, simply because the difference would be jordans superior killer instinct a d clutch play.

What numbers? advanced stats favor Lebron actually, win shares, per, his eff rating was the highest ever in his third MVP season. He is more athletic then Jordan, he runs faster, is stronger and jumps higher all while being bigger. Jordan was a different type of athlete, more finesse, agility.