death must be fought at every instance and every angle

[Radical Plato]

this is what you Athitards feel comfortable with me doing, you would prefer if I was just a meat head.

meat head is as meat head does.

[BigRo]

You are just repeating other peoples words, their are stories of people who reached enlightenment suddenly, with no yearning or dedicated attempt to do so.  And your need to end you suffering via enlightenment stinks of a weakness and defeat to me.

And meditation does fuck all at best, it won't be replacing morphine anytime soon to alleviate real suffering.

But hold on to the hope you can escape the human condition and it's inherent suffering, the suffering this generates alone is a fitting punishment for you.

Those same people still had a conviction born of there experience which made them live in a certain way to honor and deepen what they realized. Plus such souls probably practiced with discipline in past lives. You dont really care about any of this though you just need ammo for your argument.

You keep using the word escape as if I am just an escapist and any sadhana or belief in the Divine is just escapism on the same level as heroin or morphine addiction. Wrong my circumcised friend, so wrong.

[O.Z.]

'As he burned he never moved a muscle, never uttered a sound'

[BigRo]

 a passage from I AM THAT with Nisgardatta Maharaj;

Q: What is this sense of a separate existence?

A: It is a reflection in a separate body of the one reality. In this reflection the unlimited and the limited are confused and taken to be the same. To undo this confusion is the purpose of Yoga.

Q: Does not death undo this confusion?

A: In death only the body dies. Life does not, consciousness does not, reality does not. And the life is never so alive as after death..

Q: But does one get reborn?

A: What was born must die. Only the unborn is deathless. Find what is it that never sleeps and never wakes, and whose pale reflection is our sense of 'I'

Q: How am I to go about finding out?

A: How do you go about finding anything? By keeping your mind and heart on it. Interest there must be and steady remembrance. To remember what needs to be remembered is the secret of success.You come to it through earnestness.

Q: Do you mean to say that mere wanting to find out is enough? Surely both qualifications and opportunities are needed?

A: These will come with earnestness. What is supremely important is to be free of contradictions; life and light must not quarrel; behavior must not betray belief. Call it honesty, integrity, wholeness; you must not go back, undo, uproot, abandon the conquered ground. Tenacity of purpose and honesty in pursuit will bring you to your goal.

Q: Tenacity and honesty are endowments surely! Not a trace of them have I.

A: All will come as you go on. Take the first step. All blessings come from within. Turn within. I AM you know. Be with it all the time you can spare, until you revert to it spontaneously. There is no simpler or easier way.

[Radical Plato]

a passage from I AM THAT with Nisgardatta Maharaj;

Q: What is this sense of a separate existence?

A: It is a reflection in a separate body of the one reality. In this reflection the unlimited and the limited are confused and taken to be the same. To undo this confusion is the purpose of Yoga.

Q: Does not death undo this confusion?

A: In death only the body dies. Life does not, consciousness does not, reality does not. And the life is never so alive as after death..

Q: But does one get reborn?

A: What was born must die. Only the unborn is deathless. Find what is it that never sleeps and never wakes, and whose pale reflection is our sense of 'I'

Q: How am I to go about finding out?

A: How do you go about finding anything? By keeping your mind and heart on it. Interest there must be and steady remembrance. To remember what needs to be remembered is the secret of success.You come to it through earnestness.

Q: Do you mean to say that mere wanting to find out is enough? Surely both qualifications and opportunities are needed?

A: These will come with earnestness. What is supremely important is to be free of contradictions; life and light must not quarrel; behavior must not betray belief. Call it honesty, integrity, wholeness; you must not go back, undo, uproot, abandon the conquered ground. Tenacity of purpose and honesty in pursuit will bring you to your goal.

Q: Tenacity and honesty are endowments surely! Not a trace of them have I.

A: All will come as you go on. Take the first step. All blessings come from within. Turn within. I AM you know. Be with it all the time you can spare, until you revert to it spontaneously. There is no simpler or easier way.

You posted a bunch of useless nonsense.  Like any group with a vested interest they try and stop people from leaving the group.  If you come to the realisation that he is selling you a pipe dream you're one less person participating in the group.  If enough people come to this realisation the group disbands and it ceases to exist.

[Simple Simon]

You posted a bunch of useless nonsense.  Like any group with a vested interest they try and stop people from leaving the group.  If you come to the realisation that he is selling you a pipe dream you're one less person participating in the group.  If enough people come to this realisation the group disbands and it ceases to exist.

How do keep your little group together?
Do you exchange "wank" stories that take place in ever increasingly risky situations?

[Wolfox]

I think you both should think about what the other is saying. You both can learn from this discussion.

[Parker]

You are just repeating other peoples words, their are stories of people who reached enlightenment suddenly, with no yearning or dedicated attempt to do so.  And your need to end you suffering via enlightenment stinks of a weakness and defeat to me.

And meditation does fuck all at best, it won't be replacing morphine anytime soon to alleviate real suffering.

But hold on to the hope you can escape the human condition and it's inherent suffering, the suffering this generates alone is a fitting punishment for you.

You speak on the human condition and suffering. You've mentioned that several times. What about the human condition and happiness? It seems that the Western world puts a lot of effort into "feeling good", so much in fact that they become addicted to it (endorphins)...just to avoid "suffering". And what's ironic, is many do end up suffering....
It seems that in the reality, we cannot win. We cannot escape suffering, yet we cannot escape wanting to feel happy or good. Either extreme begets the same result.
So, I contend that the true human experience is not just suffering, but is balance.

[Natural Man]

this is what you Athitards feel comfortable with me doing, you would prefer if I was just a meat head.

lol, you re just a meathead who doesnt even realize his euphoric state of mind is induced by the very drugs he s taking. Sheer ignorance at its finest.

[Natural Man]

You speak on the human condition and suffering. You've mentioned that several times. What about the human condition and happiness? It seems that the Western world puts a lot of effort into "feeling good", so much in fact that they become addicted to it (endorphins)...just to avoid "suffering". And what's ironic, is many do end up suffering....
It seems that in the reality, we cannot win. We cannot escape suffering, yet we cannot escape wanting to feel happy or good. Either extreme begets the same result. e
So, I contend that the true human experience is not just suffering, but is balance.

balance is adaptation in order to survive. Humans are animals who think they are different, better, superior compared to other animal species. Still their everyday lives are similar to other animals daily routines: sleep, eat, fight, kill instead of being killed, fuck, reproduce, die. Our prefrontal lobes allow us to be conscious of what we are doing, to reverse engineer our own behaviors , but in the end, we re still animals struggling to insure their survival. Life will always be about struggling for survival for all life forms. Consciousness doesnt separate us from our intrinsical animal condition. Some even advance the argument it might be a mistake of evolution that could ultimately destroy us.

[TheGrinch]

We are spirits on a human experience.... not humans on a spiritual experience

humans die, spirits do not.......

our spirits are eternal

[TrueGrit]

320 pounds...big mofo,