Really Seagal...Really??

[gracie bjj]

I competed in kodokan judo in mid to late 90,s and did the east coast judo championships 3 times,i didn't win but placed decent, I got to green belt level then left to learn the ground game with no-gi, I got my matches on VHS. my instructor was gold medalist mike swain and my dojo was in cranford,nj. I got sick of the gi and felt it wasn't practical in real life scenarios,if u r on the beach im pretty sure a guys not gonna have a heavy coat or jacket on to grab, then what? I like the karo perysian type of judo,no gi judo. I wont even do jiu jitsu with a gi cause its useless imo, I used to be a judo fanatic and yes I know who jigoro kano is,i read many things on the internet about him, I use my judo aand wrestling to get a fight to the floor and my submissions from judo/bjj to finish it.judo and bjj basically have the same submissions its just that helio gracie altered the moves very slightly to give a weaker man an edge on finishing the move over a stronger man

[Donny]

I competed in kodokan judo in mid to late 90,s and did the east coast judo championships 3 times,i didn't win but placed decent, I got to green belt level then left to learn the ground game with no-gi, I got my matches on VHS. my instructor was gold medalist mike swain and my dojo was in cranford,nj. I got sick of the gi and felt it wasn't practical in real life scenarios,if u r on the beach im pretty sure a guys not gonna have a heavy coat or jacket on to grab, then what? I like the karo perysian type of judo,no gi judo. I wont even do jiu jitsu with a gi cause its useless imo, I used to be a judo fanatic and yes I know who jigoro kano is,i read many things on the internet about him, I use my judo aand wrestling to get a fight to the floor and my submissions from judo/bjj to finish it.judo and bjj basically have the same submissions its just that helio gracie altered the moves very slightly to give a weaker man an edge on finishing the move over a stronger man

Exactly correct in your last sentence...TOO GIVE A WEAKER MAN AN EDGE. Then you must understand Aikido and Wing Tzun follows these same principles..being a soft or an "internal" Art. This is exactly what Judo and Jui jitsu base their core principles on. Getting a guy down into a choke needs more than Brute strength.. giving way to a force can be utilized to your advantage and joint locks/chokes can be applied.

[Donny]

This whole thing reminds me of a conversation i had with Suzuki Sensei (Wado Ryu Karate) about force against force. He said to me, "Shotokan and Kyokushinkai are only with Power". Wado Ryu comes from Shindo yoshin Ryu Ju Jutsu which is where Wado Ryu takes itīs yielding principles from.

[Simple Simon]

Exactly correct in your last sentence...TOO GIVE A WEAKER MAN AN EDGE. Then you must understand Aikido and Wing Tzun follows these same principles..being a soft or an "internal" Art. This is exactly what Judo and Jui jitsu base their core principles on. Getting a guy down into a choke needs more than Brute strength.. giving way to a force can be utilized to your advantage and joint locks/chokes can be applied.

I once practiced the art of Akido, I was taught to use my opponents weight against them if attacked

I was beaten up by an anorexic bloke.

[gracie bjj]

the whole principle of judo is to make a person use their own momentum and force against them,if I was going to try to hip throw a guy to my left,id push hard to my right to make him resist really hard to his left,and his force will be going in the exact same direction im trying to throw him,it works out beautiful.i really liked judo but my teacher only let us do newaza 15 minutes a day ???i wanted more than that

[The Ugly]

Your an idiot Ropo.  I have followed the UFC since it's inception, I have watched every UFC event ever produced, I trained in boxing in my younger years and am well read on the Martial Arts.  And one thing I have learned is guys who talk tough are a dime a dozen, but  rarely are those types of guys capable of backing it up.  Seagal's unwillingness to walk his talk is more than enough evidence he is a fraud.  Any genuine tough guy looks forward to any opportunity to prove it, which Seagal has been offered many opportunities to do so.  

And the night Lyoto used that kick against Randy Couture was the first time he met Seagal.  Seagal merely verbally suggested he use it, he didn't TEACH him anything, it was Lyoto's father who taught him that kick.  Seagal working with Lyoto came later and as anyone can see it was an embarrassment.  Lyoto and Silva went along with it because they though Seagal may be able to open some doors into action films for them and not only that they are polite people, they don't want to hurt Seagal's feelings.  

As for Joe Rogan having a go at Seagal, that came about because Seagal openly suggested he knew far more about martial arts than Joe Rogan did.  Rogan being someone who displays his extensive martial arts knowledge on a regular basis during his role as color commentator for the UFC as well as being a genuine black belt in BJJ.

And none of this is relevant, you only need look at Seagal, his terrible acting, the fact he is morbidly obese, moves like a drunken walrus and has NEVER fought anyone in a sanctioned competition, and couple this with his constant talking up of himself, his constant lies (like that he has secretly been a police officer for twenty years or that that he is an adviser to several CIA agents or that he’d been a U.S. Navy SEAL and that he had been involved in  covert operations, or that while in Japan he fearlessly battled the Yakuza, or that he’s the reincarnation of a 17’th century Buddhist lama) to know that he is a full blown egomaniac incapable of telling the truth.  Anybody who lacks the intuitive ability to see through Steven Seagal is a poor judge of character indeed or has a pathethic mancrush or quite possibly a combination of the two. 

The kick itself was nothing special, same shit taught to a Tae Kwon Do white belt. The timing (and power, of course) is what made it effective, and that's all Machida. Video seems to indicate Seagal can't even perform this beginner technique correctly.

[hench]

So Affleck has a good body to you? Everyones saying how he looks like shit when he's apparantly gained all this muscle for batman.
And I used to like seagal in his early movies, my issue with him now is his dismissiveness and rudeness about his peers and the fact he's clearly not knowledgable about their martial arts past, ie the fact van damme competed and is in fact a tested martial artist. He straight up says michael jai white isn't a martial artist and not a tough guy yet seagal remains himself untested in a straight up sanctioned fight

how surprising who do you like? you say Ben Affleck is a bad actor and has a shit body on another thread. Donīt tell me Arnold your Hero would sort Seagal out right?

[Ron Harrigan]

the whole principle of judo is to make a person use their own momentum and force against them,if I was going to try to hip throw a guy to my left,id push hard to my right to make him resist really hard to his left,and his force will be going in the exact same direction im trying to throw him,it works out beautiful.i really liked judo but my teacher only let us do newaza 15 minutes a day ???i wanted more than that

The problem is that on the street (or elsewhere) shit goes down too fast for you to apply any fancy throws or locks.

[Donny]

So Affleck has a good body to you? Everyones saying how he looks like shit when he's apparantly gained all this muscle for batman.
And I used to like seagal in his early movies, my issue with him now is his dismissiveness and rudeness about his peers and the fact he's clearly not knowledgable about their martial arts past, ie the fact van damme competed and is in fact a tested martial artist. He straight up says michael jai white isn't a martial artist and not a tough guy yet seagal remains himself untested in a straight up sanctioned fight

Itīs your attitude. it sucks.

[Mr. No]

I was a karate master. I was forced to retire after an injury. I broke my foot kicking everyone's ass.

[Donny]

the whole principle of judo is to make a person use their own momentum and force against them,if I was going to try to hip throw a guy to my left,id push hard to my right to make him resist really hard to his left,and his force will be going in the exact same direction im trying to throw him,it works out beautiful.i really liked judo but my teacher only let us do newaza 15 minutes a day ???i wanted more than that

I understand why you went to BJJ which is really an outstanding system. I found in Judo that most members just came to training before Competitions. I wanted more the Traditional aspect and i moved on. They train more nage waza because it scores Ippon with a clean throw.

[gracie bjj]

I understand why you went to BJJ which is really an outstanding system. I found in Judo that most members just came to training before Competitions. I wanted more the Traditional aspect and i moved on. They train more nage waza because it scores Ippon with a clean throw.

I remember I got ippponed my first 2 matches when I did my first tournament,the east coast judo championships in NJIT in Newark, NJ,i was in tears almost and took my GI off and threw it in the garbage,then the guy who beat came after me and said hey bro,dont go out like that,he said to me that he lost his first 5 matches in his first couple tournaments and told me go get your gi on and get back to training and be patient.i thought that was really cool for a guy who just beat me to help me out like that on not quitting.the messed up thing was I was doing really good in class against the yellows belts and green belts and thought I was ready,everythings a learning experience and the wise man looks at losing as a way to learn from it

[Mr. No]

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[Donny]

I remember I got ippponed my first 2 matches when I did my first tournament,the east coast judo championships in NJIT in Newark, NJ,i was in tears almost and took my GI off and threw it in the garbage,then the guy who beat came after me and said hey bro,dont go out like that,he said to me that he lost his first 5 matches in his first couple tournaments and told me go get your gi on and get back to training and be patient.i thought that was really cool for a guy who just beat me to help me out like that on not quitting.the messed up thing was I was doing really good in class against the yellows belts and green belts and thought I was ready,everythings a learning experience and the wise man looks at losing as a way to learn from it

not Blowing my own trumpet here but when i first started Judo, a Dan grade told me he liked training ground work with me because i was aggressive. Although i lacked skill and technique i fought till the end.One thing people forget is you have to have the mind set in Martial arts too, not just what style you do. You have to take punishment and still fight on. This then is the spirit of Budo.

[Donny]

The Best thing though was Army Boxing. The Man who trained us i still Respect and write to on Facebook. Taught me Discipline the Hard way. A very Hard man but also a good man. You were one of his Boxers you got left alone in the Regiment by all Ranks.

[Simple Simon]

Get a room you two.   

[gracie bjj]

im done here,aweek of seagal is enough for me ,ive been dreaming that me and steve been having death matches in the nude and just when I was getting the better of him Anderson silva came in and nailed me with that straight kick to my jaw,seagal smiled and said I must stay out of his dreams if I want to achieve harmony with my self

[Donny]

im done here,aweek of seagal is enough for me ,ive been dreaming that me and steve been having death matches in the nude and just when I was getting the better of him Anderson silva came in and nailed me with that straight kick to my jaw,seagal smiled and said I must stay out of his dreams if I want to achieve harmony with my self

Been a good discussion 

[Donny]

Get a room you two.   

 

[Alucard]

So Affleck has a good body to you? Everyones saying how he looks like shit when he's apparantly gained all this muscle for batman.
And I used to like seagal in his early movies, my issue with him now is his dismissiveness and rudeness about his peers and the fact he's clearly not knowledgable about their martial arts past, ie the fact van damme competed and is in fact a tested martial artist. He straight up says michael jai white isn't a martial artist and not a tough guy yet seagal remains himself untested in a straight up sanctioned fight

They are ALL untested, JCVD (his Van Varenberg record is made up), Michael Jai White, Wesley Snipes, Steven Seagal, Bruce Lee and the other famous movie stars... That's what they are, actors, movie stars, martial arts practitioners/enthusiasts, stuntmen, gymnasts, dancers, not proven fighters... It's hard to say who could beat who, since some of them did light sparring at most... Difference is who's arrogant and delusional and who's a nice guy that knows his place... Unfortunately Seagal is the first type of guy, liked his first movies and his character, but the guy has problems, probably bipolar...

[hench]

There's photo and video evidence of van damme in competition.

They are ALL untested, JCVD (his Van Varenberg record is made up), Michael Jai White, Wesley Snipes, Steven Seagal, Bruce Lee and the other famous movie stars... That's what they are, actors, movie stars, martial arts practitioners/enthusiasts, stuntmen, gymnasts, dancers, not proven fighters... It's hard to say who could beat who, since some of them did light sparring at most... Difference is who's arrogant and delusional and who's a nice guy that knows his place... Unfortunately Seagal is the first type of guy, liked his first movies and his character, but the guy has problems, probably bipolar...

[Alucard]

There's photo and video evidence of van damme in competition.

I know... When he was young he did few "competitions", but it was very light contact/sparring, probably point fighting... Never did full contact, that's why his record with many fast KO is bullshit, clearly made up... Don't get me wrong, it's still better than doing nothing and achieving black belts through practice and katas... Problem for JCVD is that he became a druggie, at the time of Seagal's confrontation in 1997 he was on drugs/alcohol big time... Do you remember all the talking about a legit fight between him and Somrak Kamsing in 2010/2011?

[hench]

I'm not sure stuff is made up, its not like any claims were out of this world. And yea that's what I'm saying, seagal claims shit about others but he himself is untested while van damme has competed to atleast some level when seagal says he's not a martial artist which is wrong.
The kamsing fight i knew would never happen, like rocky he had something left in the basement but expendables 2 was more important or atleast a good excuse

I know... When he was young he did few "competitions", but it was very light contact/sparring, probably point fighting... Never did full contact, that's why his record with many fast KO is bullshit, clearly made up... Don't get me wrong, it's still better than doing nothing and achieving black belts through practice and katas... Problem for JCVD is that he became a druggie, at the time of Seagal's confrontation in 1997 he was on drugs/alcohol big time... Do you remember all the talking about a legit fight between him and Somrak Kamsing in 2010/2011?

[Donny]

chi sao..

[anabolichalo]

chi sao..

wing chung is one of the worst martial arts ever