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Senator Dr. Rand Paul: "EBOLA 'Incredibly' Contagious."
« on: October 16, 2014, 04:18:06 PM »
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CONCORD, N.H. | U.S. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky told a group of college students Wednesday the deadly virus Ebola can spread from a person who has the disease to someone standing three feet away and said the White House should be honest about that.

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20141016/NEWS/141019657/1002/news02?Title=US-Senator-Rand-Paul-Ebola-incredibly-contagious

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Re: Senator Dr. Rand Paul: "EBOLA 'Incredibly' Contagious."
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2014, 10:54:38 AM »
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Re: Senator Dr. Rand Paul: "EBOLA 'Incredibly' Contagious."
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2014, 11:06:48 AM »

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At the Pentagon, "A Complete Abundance of Caution" Over an Ebola Scare

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Just a scare -- for the moment. A woman who had recently traveled to Africa vomited on a Pentagon tour bus. Note the article says "Africa," and does not specify West Africa.

The Pentagon called in the hazmat team out of, they say, "a complete abundance of caution," which contains 50% more unnecessary caution than the usual abundance of caution.

According to Arlington News, a portion of the Pentagon South parking lot has been cordoned off and that police are telling non-Pentagon employees to avoid the surrounding area.
The woman has been transported to Virginia Hospital Center.


Meanwhile, a Dallas health care worker from the Presbyterian Hospital is, at this very moment, on a cruise ship with 4000 other souls, now "self-quarantined" and being monitored for infection. The woman apparently handled Duncan's specimens, so of course, you know, another high risk person miscategorized as "low risk."

The country of Belize refused to allow the woman off the ship and into their country.

Doesn't Belize know that if they do that they'll harm the United States economy and make it more likely ebola will spread in their country?

The woman is probably okay, as she's on day 19 of her 21 day danger period and is, supposedly, asymptomatic. (Note, however, a recent study questioned whether 21 days was really the maximum incubation period for ebola; apparently the data for this claim is sketchy.)

Obama's government is apparently now trying to arrange alternative transportation, to get her off the cruise before it's finished, and get her back to the states.

You know why, right?

Psaki said that when the woman left the U.S. on the cruise ship from Galveston, Texas, on Oct. 12 health officials were requiring only self-monitoring.
One official said it’s believed the woman poses no risk but health-care authorities want to get her off the cruise ship and back to the United States out of an abundance of caution.


Can we just say "precaution"? We all understand what "precaution" means. We understand that it means you are taking a prudent step to forestall a negative future event which is a mere possibility.

I am really getting sick and tired of what I would call fairly routine and prudent precautions being classified as an abundance of caution.

But that does seem to be the Administration's actual belief, given that they let Amber Joy Vinsen on to that plane, even after she called the CDC several times to tell them she had a low fever of 99.5.
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Re: Senator Dr. Rand Paul: "EBOLA 'Incredibly' Contagious."
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2014, 05:31:52 PM »
From ace of spades

At the Pentagon, "A Complete Abundance of Caution" Over an Ebola Scare

—Ace

Just a scare -- for the moment. A woman who had recently traveled to Africa vomited on a Pentagon tour bus. Note the article says "Africa," and does not specify West Africa.

The Pentagon called in the hazmat team out of, they say, "a complete abundance of caution," which contains 50% more unnecessary caution than the usual abundance of caution.

According to Arlington News, a portion of the Pentagon South parking lot has been cordoned off and that police are telling non-Pentagon employees to avoid the surrounding area.
The woman has been transported to Virginia Hospital Center.


Meanwhile, a Dallas health care worker from the Presbyterian Hospital is, at this very moment, on a cruise ship with 4000 other souls, now "self-quarantined" and being monitored for infection. The woman apparently handled Duncan's specimens, so of course, you know, another high risk person miscategorized as "low risk."

The country of Belize refused to allow the woman off the ship and into their country.

Doesn't Belize know that if they do that they'll harm the United States economy and make it more likely ebola will spread in their country?

The woman is probably okay, as she's on day 19 of her 21 day danger period and is, supposedly, asymptomatic. (Note, however, a recent study questioned whether 21 days was really the maximum incubation period for ebola; apparently the data for this claim is sketchy.)

Obama's government is apparently now trying to arrange alternative transportation, to get her off the cruise before it's finished, and get her back to the states.

You know why, right?

Psaki said that when the woman left the U.S. on the cruise ship from Galveston, Texas, on Oct. 12 health officials were requiring only self-monitoring.
One official said it’s believed the woman poses no risk but health-care authorities want to get her off the cruise ship and back to the United States out of an abundance of caution.


Can we just say "precaution"? We all understand what "precaution" means. We understand that it means you are taking a prudent step to forestall a negative future event which is a mere possibility.

I am really getting sick and tired of what I would call fairly routine and prudent precautions being classified as an abundance of caution.

But that does seem to be the Administration's actual belief, given that they let Amber Joy Vinsen on to that plane, even after she called the CDC several times to tell them she had a low fever of 99.5.


Wait, so the Dallas nurse quarantined on the cruise probably doesn't have Ebola?  Must really suck for her and all the other people on the cruise, too.

Wow, for the sheer perverse entertainment value, I'm gonna have to search out the details of her self-quarantine or, as she'll likely remember it, "the shittiest cruise ever".  lol

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Re: Senator Dr. Rand Paul: "EBOLA 'Incredibly' Contagious."
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2014, 06:25:20 PM »
I don't get it... these healthcare workers are in contact with the scariest disease on earth... and they all decide to take trips immediately afterwards, a few days after the dude dies?

I know, life goes on and all that... but at some point, you just sit out a few weeks and wait to see what happens.  Getting on a plane with a fever, knowing you were exposed?  That's madness. 

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Re: Senator Dr. Rand Paul: "EBOLA 'Incredibly' Contagious."
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2014, 08:02:04 PM »
I don't get it... these healthcare workers are in contact with the scariest disease on earth... and they all decide to take trips immediately afterwards, a few days after the dude dies?

I know, life goes on and all that... but at some point, you just sit out a few weeks and wait to see what happens.  Getting on a plane with a fever, knowing you were exposed?  That's madness. 

She'd probably bought her tickets far in advance and was thinking, "Fuck if I'm gonna let this Ebola bullshit make me miss out on my cruise that I've been looking forward to for so long."  Of course, that didn't work out so well...

She's lucky the other passengers didn't band together and incinerate her with makeshift flamethrowers and then just throw what's left of her and her stuff overboard. 

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Re: Senator Dr. Rand Paul: "EBOLA 'Incredibly' Contagious."
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2014, 04:53:21 AM »
I don't get it... these healthcare workers are in contact with the scariest disease on earth... and they all decide to take trips immediately afterwards, a few days after the dude dies?

I know, life goes on and all that... but at some point, you just sit out a few weeks and wait to see what happens.  Getting on a plane with a fever, knowing you were exposed?  That's madness.  

Absolutley. Youd think if nothing else the CDC and nurses union would tell them to self monitor for a couple weeks..., no travel, keep themselves distant from most people, and stay near home. That way if they got sick they coulp pop right tonthe hospital at the 1st sign of infection.


She'd probably bought her tickets far in advance and was thinking, "Fuck if I'm gonna let this Ebola bullshit make me miss out on my cruise that I've been looking forward to for so long."  Of course, that didn't work out so well...

She's lucky the other passengers didn't band together and incinerate her with makeshift flamethrowers and then just throw what's left of her and her stuff overboard.  
No shit. Poor girl was handling lab specimines, she probably had no idea this was going to happen.... i mean, if my job had no contact with the patients at all and i was told i was exposed, id be pretty fkcn pissed.

I bet everyone on that boat ran to the other end from her cabin like a pack of sheep, baying into the night on fear.

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Re: Senator Dr. Rand Paul: "EBOLA 'Incredibly' Contagious."
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2014, 06:50:07 AM »
Absolutley. Youd think if nothing else the CDC and nurses union would tell them to self monitor for a couple weeks..., no travel, keep themselves distant from most people, and stay near home. That way if they got sick they coulp pop right tonthe hospital at the 1st sign of infection.

I'd be SHOCKED if they werent told anything.  I think the CDC was criticizing her for not following their protocols.  I bet it was a case of "Oh, I bought that ticket already, they can't tell me I can't fly, they can't stop me legally..."

I bet everyone on that boat ran to the other end from her cabin like a pack of sheep, baying into the night on fear.

LOL yep... I'm surprised there wasn't an incident where she was "accidentally" knocked overboard.  When it's about life or death...and her breath, body fluids are re-circulating around a small ass boat...  I can totally see people saying "it's me or her" and sending her irresponsible ass overboard.   What happens when she flushes puke/shit on a board?  Can you 100% guarantee none of it comes out in the shower of other cabins?   If she breathes and air is circulated, as we 100% sure the ebola doesn't touch someone else?

Change the law.  Lock them up.  Create criminal penalties for moving once you're quarantined.  Sure, you'll have idiots saying "The gubmint can't stop me!" and whatnot... but it's about spreading a disease that can kill everyone you know and love... people care more about a fcking wdding party than preventing spread of something that could kill 100 mil americans.  Mindbogging... generation selfie.

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Re: Senator Dr. Rand Paul: "EBOLA 'Incredibly' Contagious."
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2014, 12:34:34 PM »
I'd be SHOCKED if they werent told anything.  I think the CDC was criticizing her for not following their protocols.  I bet it was a case of "Oh, I bought that ticket already, they can't tell me I can't fly, they can't stop me legally..."

LOL yep... I'm surprised there wasn't an incident where she was "accidentally" knocked overboard.  When it's about life or death...and her breath, body fluids are re-circulating around a small ass boat...  I can totally see people saying "it's me or her" and sending her irresponsible ass overboard.   What happens when she flushes puke/shit on a board?  Can you 100% guarantee none of it comes out in the shower of other cabins?   If she breathes and air is circulated, as we 100% sure the ebola doesn't touch someone else?

Change the law.  Lock them up.  Create criminal penalties for moving once you're quarantined.  Sure, you'll have idiots saying "The gubmint can't stop me!" and whatnot... but it's about spreading a disease that can kill everyone you know and love... people care more about a fcking wdding party than preventing spread of something that could kill 100 mil americans.  Mindbogging... generation selfie.
no, I read she called rhe CDC 2 or 3 times reportinf her fever beung at 99.8 and then around 100, and she was told as long as its not over 101 or something like that, shes fine to fly.

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Re: Senator Dr. Rand Paul: "EBOLA 'Incredibly' Contagious."
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2014, 03:03:35 PM »
says a eye doc
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Re: Senator Dr. Rand Paul: "EBOLA 'Incredibly' Contagious."
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2014, 03:40:12 PM »
joe the plumber should be giving his opinion in on this shortly  :D

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Re: Senator Dr. Rand Paul: "EBOLA 'Incredibly' Contagious."
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2014, 01:55:47 PM »
says a eye doc

Who graduated from medical school. 

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Re: Senator Dr. Rand Paul: "EBOLA 'Incredibly' Contagious."
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2014, 06:15:05 PM »
Who graduated from medical school. 

Really?  What year did Rand Paul graduate from medical school?

BTW, is "incredibly contagious" a technical medical term?  How does it compare to the more colloquial "hella contagious"?

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Re: Senator Dr. Rand Paul: "EBOLA 'Incredibly' Contagious."
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2014, 06:36:11 PM »
Really?  What year did Rand Paul graduate from medical school?

BTW, is "incredibly contagious" a technical medical term?  How does it compare to the more colloquial "hella contagious"?

"Paul left Baylor early when he was accepted into the Duke University School of Medicine, where he earned an M.D. in 1988, and completed his residency in 1993."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul

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Re: Senator Dr. Rand Paul: "EBOLA 'Incredibly' Contagious."
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2014, 10:12:44 PM »
"Paul left Baylor early when he was accepted into the Duke University School of Medicine, where he earned an M.D. in 1988, and completed his residency in 1993."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul


Thanks.  That answers my other questions, too.  (Apparently the term "hella contagious" is less than 26 years old, lol.)

On a more serious note, "incredibly contagious" isn't a category according to the chart below.  Per the chart, Ebola is considered "quite contagious". So more contagious than syphilis, MRSA, or cholera but less contagious than dengue fever, typhoid, tuberculosis or small pox.