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Let's settle this once and for all!
« on: April 15, 2011, 10:37:53 AM »
From 92-97.....which olympias did Yates truly win......your input please!


I think he definitely won in 92 and 93.....after the bicep tear.....I am not so sure he should have won....94 and 95 maybe should have gone to Shawn Ray.

What do you dudes think?

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2011, 10:40:41 AM »
92,93,95,96.
I personally think he won 94 also, his condition was still great, and he had too much size and balance for Ray to handle.
His tan was off, and it made people think his condition was off, when it wasnt really. It was off from 95, but still far above average.
95 No way Ray won that, he wasnt even 2nd, not to mention it is widely considered Yates top 2 appearances ever.
His bicep threw off his balance slightly, but not enough to dethrone him.
When youre only flaw is a bicep, well... thats pretty awesome.

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2011, 10:43:09 AM »
1993 for sure. 1992 close with Haney.
After the arm went he shouldn't have made top 10.

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2011, 10:45:34 AM »
your blind,,,,, he won every single one

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2011, 10:47:13 AM »
1993 for sure. 1992 close with Haney.
After the arm went he shouldn't have made top 10.
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Haney didnt even compete in 92.

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2011, 10:47:26 AM »
This again?  ???

Anyway, I don't get tired of pointing out the blasphemies!
Dorian deserved 92, 93, 95 and 96 in my opinion even though I think he looked good only in 92 and 93.



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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2011, 10:49:56 AM »
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Haney didnt even compete in 92.
Thats the only reason Dorian won...

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2011, 10:50:29 AM »
Dorian 94.
His worst pose.


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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2011, 10:56:31 AM »
This again?  ???

Anyway, I don't get tired of pointing out the blasphemies!
Dorian deserved 92, 93, 95 and 96 in my opinion, even though I still think he looked good only in 92 and 93.



Blasphemy.
Fucking lulz.
Too light to fight, to thin to win, too narrow, oversized quads, etc.
Shawn Ray had his own flaws, not even getting into how Dorian dwarfed him in height and size.
ALL 94
Shawn getting owned.




Ray closer to the camera and still getting dwarfed. (Dorian is 4" taller than ray, not 2")




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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2011, 11:12:23 AM »
Goodnight Shawn Ray, go ahead and bitch and moan in the magazines, too bad you were a midget!

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2011, 11:26:50 AM »
 ;D I was just waiting, I knew I was going to get a reaction out of you shockwave.

Seriously though, Shawn was more complete in my opinion.

lol at you saying Shawn had oversized quads, his legs were in great proportion.

Who cares in Dorian was x lbs heavier or "dwarfed" Shawn if his size wasn't in good quality. Its also funny to see in your pics that despite being lighter, Shawn's arms look just as big as Dorian's, same with legs, delts, chest. Dorian's supreme size advantage was in his back, gut and calves mostly.

And lol at clinging at Shawn's width/height disadvantage, but minimizing Dorian's torn bicep or bloated gut or lack of spearation and detail.

But if you think like the judges do then yes Dorian won fair and square, size trumps all!!!

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2011, 11:30:18 AM »
;D I was just waiting, I knew I was going to get a reaction out of you shockwave.

Seriously though, Shawn was more complete in my opinion.

lol at you saying Shawn had oversized quads, his legs were in great proportion.

Who cares in Dorian was x lbs heavier or "dwarfed" Shawn if his size wasn't in good quality. Its also funny to see in your pics that despite being lighter, Shawn's arms look just as big as Dorian's, same with legs, delts, chest. Dorian's supreme size advantage was in his back, gut and calves mostly.

And lol at clinging at Shawn's width/height disadvantage, but minimizing Dorian's torn bicep or bloated gut or lack of spearation and detail.

But if you think like the judges do then yes Dorian won fair and square, size trumps all!!!
Ive moved from serious arguments to trolling.
The oversized quads was jab at Hulksters comments about how Doz's calves were oversized, and that Ronnie actually has better leg propotion that Dorian.
Its much more fun trolling for reactions.  ;D ;D
Seriously though, "quality" doesnt mean shit, Dorians conditioning was equal or greater, and he dwarfed Shawn in muscle size, was equally or better proportioned, and had width that Ray lacked.
"Quality" is something people bitch about when they want the smaller guy to win and dont have anything else.  ;D ;D

P.S.
Yes Shawn had better arms and quads.
Both were Shawns strong point and both were Dorians only weak point.
Unfortunatley for Shawn, those 2 things arent enough to take down Dorian.
The gut was almost never visible when posing, something easily enough seen in the Ab/thigh were Dorians waistline is almost as tight as the midget.

FYI, Im not clinging to the height thing, its basic knowledge, Shawn disappears next to bigger guys, hence why he was fighting Levrone for 2nd and was no where near Dorian.
Hahahah

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2011, 11:48:41 AM »
Dorians waistline not looking all that much bigger than Shawns despite the 4+" and 50 lbs
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Too light to fight, too thin to win.
Oh, and wait, whats that?
Detail?
Dorian has a clearly visible satorius (sp., thigh rod) and Shawn "Mr detail & quality" doesnt? Oh noeeess!!!
So much for those better quads.
 ;D ;D

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2011, 12:25:33 PM »
Dorian has a clearly visible satorius (sp., thigh rod) and Shawn "Mr detail & quality" doesnt? Oh noeeess!!!
So much for those better quads.
 ;D ;D
Now I understand all those sandows: it was the sartorius.
Babe, wanna see me flexin' my sartorius ??

You know surgeons use the sartorius to create an artificial anus? not kiddin.

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2011, 12:30:23 PM »
Now I understand all those sandows: it was the sartorius.
Babe, wanna see me flexin' my sartorius ??

You know surgeons use the sartorius to create an artificial anus? not kiddin.
Indeed.
The sartorius is the key to winning the Sandows, the deep dark secret that only a few have discovered.
If only Shawn had been able to bring out his sartorius, the judges would have overlooked his midget status and he would have beaten Doz time and again after he tore his bicep.
Alas, it was not meant to be, as Shawn was too busy bitching and moaning about how the contests are fixed and judging was fucked up because it didnt favor his build., rather than actually trying to fix his flaws and bring out that sartorius muscle. (Shawns physique really didnt change from the time he went pro until he retired, probably one reason why he never won, his physique never really progressed and he never really worked on his flaws)

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2011, 12:34:41 PM »
Dorians waistline not looking all that much bigger than Shawns despite the 4+" and 50 lbs
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Too light to fight, too thin to win.
Oh, and wait, whats that?
Detail?
Dorian has a clearly visible satorius (sp., thigh rod) and Shawn "Mr detail & quality" doesnt? Oh noeeess!!!
So much for those better quads.
 ;D ;D


Could you seriously tell the x lbs of weight difference from that pic alone?

Quality and illusion my friend.

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2011, 12:35:56 PM »
Could you seriously tell the x lbs of weight difference from that pic alone?

Quality and illusion my friend.
Yes.
Shawn looks like a midget next to Dorian.

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2011, 12:45:15 PM »
Yes.
Shawn looks like a midget greek statue next to Dorian.

fixed for accuracy.

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2011, 12:55:24 PM »
fixed for accuracy.
Too light to fight, too thin to win.
Doians back had more muscle than Ray's whole body.
BB is about the muscle+conditioning+proportion.
Dorian wins. Ray was just pissed he was at such always at such a disadvantage right off the bat, being a midget and never working on his flaws.
 ;) ;D ;D

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2011, 02:06:41 PM »
Dorian 94.
His worst pose.



bulky fatties bleh
stumpy midsections

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2011, 02:20:00 PM »

Oh, and wait, whats that?
Detail?
Dorian has a clearly visible satorius (sp., thigh rod) and Shawn "Mr detail & quality" doesnt? Oh noeeess!!!
So much for those better quads.
 ;D ;D


Technically the sartorius isn't part of the quads, but in that pic Yates has the better one for sure.

Threads like this show just how good the 90's were in bb. We can argue forever about so many great physiques deserving the title.

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Re: Let's settle this once and for all!
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2011, 02:24:40 PM »
92, 93, 94, 95, 96, and 97.

Most muscular in 1991 and was unlucky to lose to Haney and would have won in '98 and '99 if he hadn't torn the tricep - there was no way Ronnie or Flex would have beaten him in those years.

As Leroy Davis used to say - he would have continued winning in all the years he chose to compete. Personally I think he would have retired in 99 or 2000 after equalling or beating Haney's record. That was always going to be the plan but unfortunately injury got in the way.