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Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« on: February 03, 2015, 10:02:22 PM »
Do you agree with Christie?

(NYT) Amid an outbreak of measles that has spread across 14 states, Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey on Monday said that parents “need to have some measure of choice” about vaccinating their children against the virus, breaking with President Obama and much of the medical profession.

In remarks here, Mr. Christie stopped short of recommending that parents immunize their children against measles, or any other illness, calling for “balance” and “choice.”

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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2015, 10:17:37 PM »
Do you agree with Christie?

(NYT) Amid an outbreak of measles that has spread across 14 states, Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey on Monday said that parents “need to have some measure of choice” about vaccinating their children against the virus, breaking with President Obama and much of the medical profession.

In remarks here, Mr. Christie stopped short of recommending that parents immunize their children against measles, or any other illness, calling for “balance” and “choice.”

I think Chris Christie is so desperate to get elected, he will say anything that might win him an audience, albeit an audience of morons.

You can only get measles once. If you had them as a kid, you are not at risk. They can be devastating to anyone who is susceptible, especially the very young and the very old.

Measles is an extremely contagious respiratory infection caused by a virus. Once common in the United States, it was eliminated here in 2000 but is resurgent today, mostly because of the growing number of people who are refusing to vaccinate their children or delaying those vaccinations

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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2015, 10:24:41 PM »
well, we know what Christie is doing - Jeb is about to have the RINO vote completely locked-the-fck-down.  And Christie knows it.  So he's trying to veer right, very fast.

Unfortunately, given his very liberal record - much more liberal than Jeb - Christie would be smarter to veer left.

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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2015, 10:29:17 PM »
well, we know what Christie is doing - Jeb is about to have the RINO vote completely locked-the-fck-down.  And Christie knows it.  So he's trying to veer right, very fast.

Unfortunately, given his very liberal record - much more liberal than Jeb - Christie would be smarter to veer left.

Who are these people really? Whatever happened to just being yourself and getting elected based on that. It seems like almost all politicians today are nothing more than snake oil salesman.....telling everyone exactly what they want to hear. It's pathetic!

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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2015, 10:57:33 PM »
Speaking of which. Pretty ironic that as soon as this douchbag opens the boarders we have an outbreak of measles. I wonder if it was moms plan to have a complete and utter moron for a son that thinks he's the "president".

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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2015, 04:14:27 AM »
its to bad kids have to suffer and some die from  the measles because of their stupid ass science hating neanderthal religious nut job parents

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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2015, 06:04:02 AM »
Speaking of which. Pretty ironic that as soon as this douchbag opens the boarders we have an outbreak of measles. I wonder if it was moms plan to have a complete and utter moron for a son that thinks he's the "president".

Not sure about his mom, but your mom really didn't have a choice in the matter is appears. 

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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2015, 06:12:45 AM »
One kid can't bring peanuts to school because someone else might be allergic to it, but these idiots want their kids to bring measles, mumps, etc...

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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2015, 06:21:47 AM »
Not sure about his mom, but your mom really didn't have a choice in the matter is appears. 

Right - and you and straw are the poor chicken littles on this board - never do anything wrong, etc.  blah blah blah. 


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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2015, 06:55:20 AM »
I think you should have a choice...Uncle Sam shouldn't dictate anything like this. I'd vaccinate and I think most people do and should. I also think we should mine the border so these pestilence ridden 3rd world shitbags cant infect our country with diseases we eradicated in the West years ago. 
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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2015, 07:14:35 AM »
I think you should have a choice...Uncle Sam shouldn't dictate anything like this. I'd vaccinate and I think most people do and should. I also think we should mine the border so these pestilence ridden 3rd world shitbags cant infect our country with diseases we eradicated in the West years ago.  

how about the kid that gets measles and maybe dies because of your stupid ass thinking of you should have a choice.hell of a price to pay for your fucking choice


diseases we eradicated in the West years ago. 

those diseases were eradicated years ago because of vaccinations and there back because people are not getting vaccinated, not because of borders

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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2015, 07:59:51 AM »
how about the kid that gets measles and maybe dies because of your stupid ass thinking of you should have a choice.hell of a price to pay for your fucking choice


those diseases were eradicated years ago because of vaccinations and there back because people are not getting vaccinated, not because of borders


Hey Blacken your stupid ass can't read. I'm going to vaccinate but if you trust the gov to do the right thing your a fucking retard. Yeah its a free country and you should have a choice to be fucking stupid. Because while this issue should be pretty clear....vaccinations for the common good  etc.....there will come a time when it won't. Your trust in people like Obama and the rest is shocking.
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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2015, 08:32:02 AM »

Hey Blacken your stupid ass can't read. I'm going to vaccinate but if you trust the gov to do the right thing your a fucking retard. Yeah its a free country and you should have a choice to be fucking stupid. Because while this issue should be pretty clear....vaccinations for the common good  etc.....there will come a time when it won't. Your trust in people like Obama and the rest is shocking.

you think  vaccinations are a government plot to run your life , you think the stupid should  have the choice to fuck my kids and yours,than you are dumb

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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2015, 08:40:38 AM »
Go get your child vaccinated and the ones that choose not to wont get them sick. Its that simple.

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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2015, 08:45:25 AM »
My personal and professional preference would be for everyone to be vaccinated. The science and proof is overwhelming in favor of the effectiveness of vaccines.

But as an American, it shoud be a choice for the parents to make.

But please do your own research, youll see that vaccines are the way to go.

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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2015, 08:46:17 AM »
you think  vaccinations are a government plot to run your life , you think the stupid should  have the choice to fuck my kids and yours,than you are dumb

I don't have kids.....if you want to get your kids vaccinated then have at it. I'd have mine vaccinated as well. But do I trust the gov to mandate this...fuck no.
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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2015, 08:47:40 AM »
My personal and professional preference would be for everyone to be vaccinated. The science and proof is overwhelming in favor of the effectiveness of vaccines.

But as an American, it shoud be a choice for the parents to make.

But please do your own research, youll see that vaccines are the way to go.


SEEE FUCKERS.......this is exactly what I just said. But because OD is a lib its ok. I'm not sure what the libs in Hollywood are against this but there are a more then a few.
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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2015, 08:54:08 AM »

SEEE FUCKERS.......this is exactly what I just said. But because OD is a lib its ok. I'm not sure what the libs in Hollywood are against this but there are a more then a few.

the reason the measles are back is because we let the stupid make their own uninformed decisions.maybe when polio makes a comeback will smarten the fuck up

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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2015, 09:58:54 AM »
Right - and you and straw are the poor chicken littles on this board - never do anything wrong, etc.  blah blah blah. 



Your estrogen cup runneth over.   You might want to get some meds to help with all the crying and whining you do.

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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2015, 10:01:54 AM »
Personally, I have no problem with shots.  I just dislike when they try to administer 5 or 6 shots at ONCE.

Here are your required 3 shots, but here are 4 that we recommend.  Sorry, I can accept the mumps rubella measles - - BUT I want to come back in a month for something else.  UNLESS you can show me documentation that you've tested what everything in these 6 shots does when mixed together - as well as prove the impact to a 25 pound human being (of 6 needles + a 1/4 cup of all this crap) is minimal - then I'm not allowing that kind of massive stacked up injection at once.

I get it, the shots are needed or yes, we do have measles outbreak.  But IMHO, it's the "upsell", the $5 they probably make every time you "add on" that HepC or flu shot, that creates potential for danger.

Thoughts?

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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2015, 10:10:10 AM »
My argument in a nutshell


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/397840/vaccine-against-chaos-kevin-d-williamson

On the matter of vaccines and those parents who refuse to allow them to be administered to their children: First, the case against the ordinary battery of vaccinations is approximately as sound as the case against genetically modified foods, the case against the official account of the 9/11 attacks, or the case for the proposition that the United States is governed by a secret cabal of billionaires run by the Koch brothers. It is about as intellectually defensible as arguments in favor of providing federal subsidies for homeopathy and acupuncture — i.e., 99.44 percent pure horsepucky. There are many reasonable arm-twisting measures that could be taken to encourage vaccination, such as categorically excluding unvaccinated children from public schools, denying unvaccinated persons entry or reentry into the United States, and the like. But the success of the anti-vaccination project is only a symptom of a deeper and more worrisome problem.



The fight over vaccinations is not a new one. Since the invention of vaccines, their use and their mandatory use have been a hotly contested issues. In the early days of the Progressive movement, when panels of experts in thrall to a vision of their managerial expertise rolled over the literally and metaphorically untidy cities and rural communities in which social dysfunction flourished, resistance to mandatory vaccinations became a crusade, especially in New England. The Supreme Court decided in Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905) that the state could fine a Swedish immigrant who refused to undergo mandatory vaccination, protesting that he’d been made seriously ill by an earlier vaccination. Just a few years prior, the case of Wong Wai v. Williamson considered whether federal authorities could require that all of San Francisco’s Chinese residents undergo a fairly dangerous vaccination against the bubonic plague or be forcibly prevented from leaving the city.

In Jacobson, Justice John Marshall Harlan found that the vaccine resister in question could be fined, and punished for refusing to pay the fine, but that he could not be physically coerced into accepting the vaccination. But the precedent — that state interests trump individuals’ control of their own bodies — provided Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. with the ammunition he needed to find in Buck v. Bell that “the protection and health of the state” was sufficient to justify involuntary sterilizations of “the unfit” and “defectives” — principally meaning mentally disabled people — whose rights were, in his judgment, not protected by the 14th Amendment, at least not to such an extent that they could not be forcibly neutered like stray dogs. “Three generations of imbeciles are enough,” the justice infamously wrote. As Jonah Goldberg notes in Liberal Fascism, the lone dissenter in the case was the “archconservative” Pierce Butler. (Read Jonah’s post on Margaret Sanger and contemporary eugenics here.) The subsequent history is pretty ugly.
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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2015, 01:09:17 PM »
I think you should have a choice...Uncle Sam shouldn't dictate anything like this. I'd vaccinate and I think most people do and should. I also think we should mine the border so these pestilence ridden 3rd world shitbags cant infect our country with diseases we eradicated in the West years ago. 

Do you really mean "mine" the border?

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Re: Christie Says Parents Should Have ‘Choice’ on Vaccinations
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2015, 06:38:40 PM »
even worse is that he goes OVERSEAS to trash the US govt for allowing such shady vaccinations to be administered.