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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2010, 05:12:29 PM »
LMAO RPF you know damn well you were being serious bro...

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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2010, 05:13:51 PM »
The fact that we've let the terrorists get their way.  People here have been complaining about this since 9/11.  As far as I know, this is the first time the thought has crossed your mind?  It's certainly the first time you've posted anything like this.

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People have been complaining about things that have had zero impact on their lives.  You in particular have repeatedly mentioned the Patriot Act and I recall asking you and others exactly what rights you have lost as a result of the Patriot Act.  You have yet to provide an answer.  Nor has anyone else.  I still question whether you and others have even read it.  

This TSA stuff is completely different.  It has a direct impact on me because I fly all the time.  It has a direct impact on everyone else who flies.  The whole country is talking about it.  

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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2010, 05:18:37 PM »
LMAO RPF you know damn well you were being serious bro...

Settle down tony.  He was obviously exaggerating.   :)

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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2010, 05:27:33 PM »
People have been complaining about things that have had zero impact on their lives.  You in particular have repeatedly mentioned the Patriot Act and I recall asking you and others exactly what rights you have lost as a result of the Patriot Act.  You have yet to provide an answer.  Nor has anyone else.  I still question whether you and others have even read it.  

This TSA stuff is completely different.  It has a direct impact on me because I fly all the time.  It has a direct impact on everyone else who flies.  The whole country is talking about it.  

Are you denying that I've lost rights since this "loss" hasn't personally affected my life?

Our personal residences, and businesses can now be secretly searched with indefinite notification, the feds have access to our medical, library, and weapons records (probably other stuff too, I'm not a lawyer) without "criminal suspicion".

From what I've read, the definition of "Domestic Terrorism" could now include acts of political protest.

I don't understand why you're acting oblivious to these issues?  Incidents where peoples right have been violated in the name of this phoney war on terror are in the newspaper daily.

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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2010, 05:29:11 PM »
Are you denying that the rights have been lost since they haven't personally affected my life?

Our personal residences, and businesses can now be secretly searched with indefinite notification, the feds have access to our medical, library, and weapons records (probably other stuff too, I'm not a lawyer) without "criminal suspicion".

From what I've read, the definition of "Domestic Terrorism" could now include acts of political protest.

I don't understand why you're acting oblivious to these issues?  Incidents where peoples right have been violated in the name of this phoney war on terror are in the newspaper daily.


wait I thought you were exaggerating and werent serious?

which one was it?

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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2010, 05:30:59 PM »
wait I thought you were exaggerating and werent serious?

which one was it?

That last post doesn't contradict my previous statement regarding the fact that I was obviously exaggerating.

The fourth amendment has obviously not been completely invalidated, it has definitely been obstructed though...
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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2010, 05:33:24 PM »
That last post doesn't contradict my previous statement regarding the fact that I was obviously exaggerating.
LOL well you say we lost rights so please name these constitutional rights that we have lost...

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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2010, 05:39:04 PM »
Are you denying that I've lost rights since this "loss" hasn't personally affected my life?

Our personal residences, and businesses can now be secretly searched with indefinite notification, the feds have access to our medical, library, and weapons records (probably other stuff too, I'm not a lawyer) without "criminal suspicion".

From what I've read, the definition of "Domestic Terrorism" could now include acts of political protest.

I don't understand why you're acting oblivious to these issues?  Incidents where peoples right have been violated in the name of this phoney war on terror are in the newspaper daily.



I'm not denying anything.  I'm asking you what specific rights you have lost. 

Which part of the Patriot Act authorizes a secret search of my home? 

Are you getting this information from CT websites, because it sounds pretty bizarre. 

And is this a factual statement or an obvious exaggeration (I can't tell)?  "Incidents where peoples right have been violated in the name of this phoney war on terror are in the newspaper daily."

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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2010, 05:39:23 PM »
do we really need to turn this thread into this argument.  Come on Tony, stop please.  Good thread going to shit.

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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2010, 05:41:02 PM »
do we really need to turn this thread into this argument.  Come on Tony, stop please.  Good thread going to shit.
LOL we can make another thread if youd like

sorry I just find rpf's jagson like back peddling funny

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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2010, 05:42:52 PM »
This TSA stuff is completely different.  It has a direct impact on me because I fly all the time.  It has a direct impact on everyone else who flies.  The whole country is talking about it.  

Oh, I understand now.  Laws that impede our rights don't matter, as long as they don't impact you or me personally.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Patriot+Act+US+Constitution
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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2010, 05:57:44 PM »
Oh, I understand now.  Laws that impede our rights don't matter, as long as they don't impact you or me personally.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Patriot+Act+US+Constitution

Not what I said.  For example, the government's ability to conduct secret searches of your home tramples on your rights, whether they do it or not.  But I get the feeling that particular provision is nowhere to be found in the Patriot Act.

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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2010, 08:12:31 PM »
I think GW summed it up best.

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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2013, 04:00:38 PM »
Was reading about the goals of terrorism (see excerpt below).  Sounds like Osama, Al Qaeda, the shoe bomber, and the underwear bomber have successfully influenced government (over)regulation of air travel.  Isn't the whole intent of this TSA nonsense to prevent someone from blowing up a plane?  Seems like we are playing right into their hands. 



The Intent of Terrorist Groups

A terrorist group commits acts of violence to -

Produce widesrpead fear

Obtain worldwide, national, or local recognition for their cause by attracting the attention of the media

Harass, weaken, or embarrass government security forces so that the the government overreacts and appears repressive

Steal or extort money and equipment, especially weapons and ammunition vital to the operation of their group

Destroy facilities or disrupt lines of communication in order to create doubt that the government can provide for and protect its citizens

Discourage foreign investments, tourism, or assistance programs that can affect the target country’s economy and support of the government in power

Influence government decisions, legislation, or other critical decisions

Free prisoners

Satisfy vengeance

Turn the tide in a guerrilla war by forcing government security forces to concentrate their efforts in urban areas. This allows the terrorist group to establish itself among the local populace in rural areas

http://www.terrorism-research.com/goals/

Asked this question a few years ago.  Are they being successful?  In some respects, it sure seems like it. 


Counterterrorism analysts want US mass transit security tightened in wake of plots
By Barnini Chakraborty
Published April 23, 2013
FoxNews.com

In this March 11, 2013 photo, the Amtrak Vermonter heads south in Middlesex, Vt. Amtrak says ridership has increased in the first six months of fiscal year 2013, with ridership in March setting a record as the single best month ever in Amtrak's history. (AP)

 WASHINGTON –  Counterterrorism experts have renewed calls to tighten security on America's mass transit lines following two would-be terrorists' foiled plot to blow up a Toronto passenger train.

The alleged plan to attack Canada’s transit system has shed light on the vulnerabilities that still exist in America's commuter system and the challenges involved in keeping it safe for travelers.

"The millions of Americans who take public transportation need to be assured that everything possible is being done to ensure their security and safety," American Public Transportation Association President and CEO Michael Melaniphy told FoxNews.com on Monday, adding that federal funding should be increased.

Security analysts note that the very nature of public transit systems makes them hard to defend because of their open architecture, multiple access points and heavy volume of passengers. But a string of recent plots, including the latest out of Canada, underscore the need to make changes.

Scott Weber, former counsel for the Department of Homeland Security, told Fox News that “the threat lies everywhere.”

“This country has to change its outlook on day-to-day life,” he said. “We can’t let out guard down.”

Melaniphy thinks more money should be spent on state-of-the-art surveillance systems, explosive- and chemical-detection systems, and enhanced communication technology -- as well as anti-terrorism patrol teams, first responder training and public education campaigns.

“These enhancements are crucial in order to effectively combat and deter potential attacks,” he said.

In the nearly 12 years that have passed since the Sept. 11 attacks, terrorists have plotted more than 700 attacks on surface transportation systems internationally. There have been more than 50 foiled attacks in the U.S.

In the U.S., New York police uncovered a 2003 Al Qaeda plot to release cyanide gas in New York City’s subway system. In July 2006, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said it had stopped an attack on the PATH – specifically the commuter rail's tunnel connecting New York and New Jersey. They discovered a plan to place suicide bombers on the train and to destroy the retaining wall separating the Hudson River from the World Trade Center site in hopes of causing massive flooding to lower Manhattan – the city’s financial district.

Authorities in Cleveland arrested five self-described anarchists last May. They were accused of plotting to blow up a four-lane highway bridge. An undercover FBI agent had sold the men inoperable detonators and plastic explosives.

In 2009, seven defendants came within days of executing a plot to conduct coordinated suicide bombings in the New York City subway system. When authorities foiled the attack, one of the defendants tried to crash his car on the Whitestone Expressway in an effort to kill himself and others.

Terrorists have been more successful attacking mass transit hubs and transportation centers internationally.

In 2005, three bombs on subways in London and one on a double-decker bus went off, killing at least 37 people in coordinated rush hour attack. In 2004,191 people were killed and another 1,500 were wounded in Spain when 10 bombs exploded on four trains in three Madrid-area train stations.

"Although attacks similar to those in London, Madrid, Israel or Japan have yet to occur in the United States, the threat is real and chances of an attack succeeding are high,” Daniel Prieto, research director of the Homeland Security Partnership Initiative, said during a hearing before the joint committee on Public Safety and Homeland Security in Massachusetts. “There are over 140,000 miles of train routes in the U.S. and more than 500 major urban transit operators."

Prieto added that Americans take public transit 32 million times a day, "16 times more than they travel on domestic airlines." She also noted that 9/11 terror mastermind Khalid Sheik Muhammed "told his interrogators that Al Qaeda had plans to attack the metro system in Washington, D.C."

A 2010 report from the Obama administration stressed the need for more work to be done to maintain safety on the nation’s mass transit lines. The recommendations included modernizing the information technology infrastructure used to vet the identity of travelers and transportation workers and completing blast analyses for all underwater passenger rail tunnels.

But some say that’s just lip service from the president and point to cuts in federal funding over the years as security concerns.

“The APTA has urged Congress to significantly increase funding for public transportation security to the levels called for in the 9/11 Commission Act of 2007,” Melaniphy said. “Instead, from 2010 to 2012, federal investment in transit security decreased by 65 percent, while public transportation ridership increased by 300 million trips. This decrease in federal funding is just short-sighted.”

During the last several federal budget cycles, the APTA has urged Congress to raise funding for public transportation security.

To date, through its Transit Security Grant Program, the Department of Homeland Security has given $547 million to 60 of the country’s mass transit and passenger rail systems in 25 states and D.C. The TSA divided the money based on “a risk-based prioritization in determining eligible passenger rail and transit agencies, funding allocations and evaluations for award,” according to its website.

Last year, the grant program provided $87.5 million to beef up security measures at the country’s passenger rail, intra-city bus networks and ferry systems. Amtrak received an additional $10 million.

Funding revolves around 17 security and emergency preparedness action items and six core fundamentals that focus on emergency evacuation plans, security patrols, counterterrorism training for front-line staff and public awareness and preparedness campaigns, among others.

“A transit agency’s awareness campaign should also extend to its employees,” according to the TSA site. “Appropriate counter-terrorism training, couples with a strong security awareness campaign, will yield significantly heightened security awareness in transit systems.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/23/counter-terrorism-experts-call-for-increased-security-at-land-based/

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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2013, 04:22:56 PM »
Haha..I didn't know Cy Tolliver was P.I.P.

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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2015, 03:01:57 PM »
In light of Donald Trump's call to ban all Muslims, I'd say the answer to this question is, again, "yes."   :-\

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Re: Have terrorists been successful?
« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2015, 11:24:26 AM »
Terrorism causing paranoia and overreactions, just as designed.

Rep. Adam Schiff: LA Schools' Bomb Threat Was Likely a Hoax

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Tuesday, 15 Dec 2015

All Los Angeles public schools were shut down on Tuesday following a bomb threat.

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Burbank) declared in the afternoon that the threat was likely a hoax.

"While we continue to gather information about the threat made against the Los Angeles and New York School Departments, the preliminary assessment is that it was a hoax or something designed to disrupt school districts in large cities," Schiff said. "The investigation is ongoing as to where the threat originated from and who was responsible."


The specifics of the threat are currently unknown, but students and teachers were told to stay away from all L.A. Unified School District campuses. The threat, described as "credible" and "rare," was received electronically and directed at multiple schools.

The email has since been traced to an IP address in Frankfurt, Germany, Rep. Mike McCaul (R-TX), House Homeland Security Committee chairman, told MSNBC's Brian Williams. However, law enforcement sources said the person could have masked his/her location.

"There has been some initial reporting that it may have come from an IP address out of Germany. We are doing that attribution now back to possibly Europe, where the source of this threat may have come from," McCaul said. "[S ]o we don't, again, know the source of the threat itself or how credible, but we do know that the terrorists have looked at exploiting this means of social media as a device to shut things down."

LAUSD Superintendent Ramon Cortines said Tuesday morning that schools will be closed until police search buildings to ensure the district's 900-plus campuses and 187 public charter schools were safe.

"A threat had been made to not one school, but many schools in this district," Cortines said. "Some of the details talked about backpacks and other packages. After talking with him, also with the board president, I made a decision to close all of the schools."

Students who already arrived at school are being supervised until parents can pick them up, while buses that had taken children to school early were turned around.

With more than 640,000 students between kindergarten and 12th grade, LAUSD is the nation's second-largest school district.

The bomb scare comes less than two weeks after a terrorist attack in San Bernardino left 14 dead and 22 others wounded. In an eerie coincidence, Monday marked the third anniversary of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/schiff-hoax-terror-threat/2015/12/15/id/705911/#ixzz3uVt6NrVX