Trying something new

[Thong Maniac]

As many of you know i am cutting at the moment. Ive never really used AAS to "bulk "( i hate that term), i only used high doses other than TRT to cut bf.

So i want to try and use hormones to really make solid gainz. Keep in mind im a border line endo.

How lean do you typically get before giving this a whirl? 8-10 percent? Im around 2000 kcals right now, and will likely drop to 1900 for June.

Once you get to your prefered bf, is it possible to keep the same hardness and leAnity while growing using AAS?

[Jizmo]

As many of you know i am cutting at the moment. Ive never really used AAS to "bulk "( i hate that term), i only used high doses other than TRT to cut bf.

So i want to try and use hormones to really make solid gainz. Keep in mind im a border line endo.

How lean do you typically get before giving this a whirl? 8-10 percent? Im around 2000 kcals right now, and will likely drop to 1900 for June.

Once you get to your prefered bf, is it possible to keep the same hardness and leAnity while growing using AAS?

you shouldnt ever get above 12-13% in the first place
so yeah, i drop down to 8-9% at least before starting a bulk

of course you wont stay completely lean when growing unless you take it extremely slowly, which is ineffective because water retention is beneficial for growth

i always get 10x harder for the first 2-3 weeks when i start bulking and reintroduce higher amounts of carbs.
im soft as fuck while cutting, even on high AAS doses.
then the first 2-3 weeks of bulking i look insanely good, get much dryer fuller harder and leaner because the carbs go into the muscle and pull all the water with them.

then the water retention starts to come on (and with it comes strength and muscle).
again, water retention is very beneficial, possibly even necessary for significant growth
of course you dont look as good. but you will simply gain more.

WATER retention, not fat by the way. dont get fat. thats completely useless and counterproductive regarding muscle growth.

[Thong Maniac]

you shouldnt ever get above 12-13% in the first place
so yeah, i drop down to 8-9% at least before starting a bulk

of course you wont stay completely lean when growing unless you take it extremely slowly, which is ineffective because water retention is beneficial for growth

i always get 10x harder for the first 2-3 weeks when i start bulking and reintroduce higher amounts of carbs.
im soft as fuck while cutting, even on high AAS doses.
then the first 2-3 weeks of bulking i look insanely good, get much dryer fuller harder and leaner because the carbs go into the muscle and pull all the water with them.

then the water retention starts to come on (and with it comes strength and muscle).
again, water retention is very beneficial, possibly even necessary for significant growth
of course you dont look as good. but you will simply gain more.

WATER retention, not fat by the way. dont get fat. thats completely useless and counterproductive regarding muscle growth.

Thanks mate. Is it possible to stay 10 or less?

[shrek]

you shouldnt ever get above 12-13% in the first place
so yeah, i drop down to 8-9% at least before starting a bulk

of course you wont stay completely lean when growing unless you take it extremely slowly, which is ineffective because water retention is beneficial for growth

i always get 10x harder for the first 2-3 weeks when i start bulking and reintroduce higher amounts of carbs.
im soft as fuck while cutting, even on high AAS doses.
then the first 2-3 weeks of bulking i look insanely good, get much dryer fuller harder and leaner because the carbs go into the muscle and pull all the water with them.

then the water retention starts to come on (and with it comes strength and muscle).
again, water retention is very beneficial, possibly even necessary for significant growth
of course you dont look as good. but you will simply gain more.

WATER retention, not fat by the way. dont get fat. thats completely useless and counterproductive regarding muscle growth.

YOUR SOFT WHEN CUTTING? ? Hmm very odd

[Jizmo]

YOUR SOFT WHEN CUTTING? ? Hmm very odd

im only hard and full when my muscles are full of glycogen and popping through the skin
on a cut i get flabby and soft
like a woman in her 50s lol
but that might be related to high dosing t3 too
when im really low bodyfat i just look stringy and not soft anymore, but the road to <8% BF always looks pretty shitty for me lol

Thanks mate. Is it possible to stay 10 or less?

individual thing... i think most people grow best somewhere between 8-12%. if you get fatter your insulin sensitivity goes to shit, if you get leaner youre just to fragile

[local hero]

im only hard and full when my muscles are full of glycogen and popping through the skin
on a cut i get flabby and soft
like a woman in her 50s lol
but that might be related to high dosing t3 too
when im really low bodyfat i just look stringy and not soft anymore, but the road to <8% BF always looks pretty shitty for me lol
individual thing... i think most people grow best somewhere between 8-12%. if you get fatter your insulin sensitivity goes to shit, if you get leaner youre just to fragile

I know just what your saying, whilest dieting I feel and look terrible until I reach very low body fat, the transition between full and ripped is a depressing road

[equipoise]

How do those fitness model guys (ulisses etc.) stay super lean the whole year? They don't really seem to put on a lot of size though

[TheGrinch]

How do those fitness model guys (ulisses etc.) stay super lean the whole year? They don't really seem to put on a lot of size though

always thought the same thing.. then you see them out partying, drinking, smoking and pigging out on pizza and beer.. wTF?

[shrek]

Perfect genetics

[Jizmo]

How do those fitness model guys (ulisses etc.) stay super lean the whole year? They don't really seem to put on a lot of size though

always thought the same thing.. then you see them out partying, drinking, smoking and pigging out on pizza and beer.. wTF?

GH.

i havent even ran GH but used quite a lot of peptides, CJC DAC, no DAC, all the ghrps etc.

the shit just brings your waist in while adding detail and pop to the muscles
even though its WEAKER than actual REAL GH the effects are intense...

youll look big but SHARP instead of bloated

cut down to 7-8%, hit the GH and tren in moderate to high dosages and you will never go over 9-10% BF again unless youre a complete retard...

eat a constant calorie surplus on AAS = you get big but after a couple days you get bloated
eat a constant calorie surplus on AAS+GH = you get big but get sharper and more popping at the same time, no bloat

when i look back at the pics i took when on CJC DAC its a very distinct look, you cant replicate that with AAS alone, only for a short time, but you cant maintain it for long...

and i was only using 3-4mg a week without GHRPs
thats not even much, maybe equivalent to 2-3iu real pharm GH or so

unfortunately even CJC DAC is costly here (you fuckers in the US can run 4-6mg a week for like 20 bucks, here in europe its 3x as much)
if i could get 10mg vials of that shit for 40$ like you guys can id be on it year round

[equipoise]

GH.

i havent even ran GH but used quite a lot of peptides, CJC DAC, no DAC, all the ghrps etc.

the shit just brings your waist in while adding detail and pop to the muscles
even though its WEAKER than actual REAL GH the effects are intense...

youll look big but SHARP instead of bloated

cut down to 7-8%, hit the GH and tren in moderate to high dosages and you will never go over 9-10% BF again unless youre a complete retard...

eat a constant calorie surplus on AAS = you get big but after a couple days you get bloated
eat a constant calorie surplus on AAS+GH = you get big but get sharper and more popping at the same time, no bloat

when i look back at the pics i took when on CJC DAC its a very distinct look, you cant replicate that with AAS alone, only for a short time, but you cant maintain it for long...

and i was only using 3-4mg a week without GHRPs
thats not even much, maybe equivalent to 2-3iu real pharm GH or so

unfortunately even CJC DAC is costly here (you fuckers in the US can run 4-6mg a week for like 20 bucks, here in europe its 3x as much)
if i could get 10mg vials of that shit for 40$ like you guys can id be on it year round

I can get peptides relatively cheaply. But I'm afraid of the organ enlargement (especially heart) that comes with increased IGF levels.

[Thong Maniac]

I can get peptides relatively cheaply. But I'm afraid of the organ enlargement (especially heart) that comes with increased IGF levels.
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Nevermind that man, be more worried about what other chemicals and substances are in those "peptides"

[whitewidow]

As many of you know i am cutting at the moment. Ive never really used AAS to "bulk "( i hate that term), i only used high doses other than TRT to cut bf.

So i want to try and use hormones to really make solid gainz. Keep in mind im a border line endo.

How lean do you typically get before giving this a whirl? 8-10 percent? Im around 2000 kcals right now, and will likely drop to 1900 for June.

Once you get to your prefered bf, is it possible to keep the same hardness and leAnity while growing using AAS?

The leaner the better id say your perfect. 8% is where you want to start at. You can get all cutt up and run compounds that are known for bulking diet is what is what is super important just as well as caloric intake. I'm cutting on sust,Tren and dbol plus my other meds like T3/T4,albuteral  tricks like that,