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Didn't waste any time politicizing another tragedy.

BREAKING: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control [VIDEO]
CHUCK ROSS
06/18/2015

President Obama floated the idea of greater gun control during a White House statement Thursday in the wake of the mass shooting at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal church in Charleston.

Police say Dylann Storm Roof, 21, entered the historical black church Wednesday night and opened fire, killing nine people.

“Now’s the time for mourning and for healing, but let’s be clear — at some point we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries,” Obama said.

“It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency. And it is in our power to do something about it. I say that recognizing the politics in this town foreclose a lot of those avenues right now. But it would be wrong for us not to acknowledge it, and at some point it’s going to be important for the American people to come to grips with it and for us to be able to shift how we think about the issue of gun violence collectively.”

“We don’t have all the facts, but we do know that, once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun,” Obama said.

Roof, who is from Lexington, S.C., was reportedly given a .45-caliber handgun as a birthday present by his father. It is unclear if that is the same gun he used in Wednesday’s massacre. Roof was arrested Thursday morning in North Carolina.

During his speech, Obama also addressed the racial aspect of the shooting. Roof, who is white, reportedly said before the attack, “I have to do it. You rape our women and you’re taking over our country. And you have to go.”

The few pictures of Roof that have been uncovered also indicate that race may have been a motivator. One picture shows Roof leaning against his car which bears a pro-Confederacy license plate. Another shows Roof wearing a jacket that bears a flag from pre-Apartheid South African and Rhodesia.

“The fact that this took place in a black church obviously also raises questions about a dark part of our history,” Obama said Thursday. “This is not the first time that black churches have been attacked. And we know that hatred across races and faiths pose a particular threat to our democracy and our ideals.”

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/18/breaking-in-wake-of-south-carolina-shooting-obama-calls-for-gun-control/#ixzz3dRTCcEzH

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2015, 01:18:05 PM »
Shameful.

Right out of the Rahm Emanuel playbook.

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2015, 01:20:00 PM »
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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2015, 01:32:11 PM »
Wait, maybe repubs testes will finally fall, and it'll take a fcking gun ban for them to rightfully impeach Obama for his fast and furious crimes. 

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2015, 01:51:49 PM »
Shameful.

Right out of the Rahm Emanuel playbook.

Agreed.

A new low for him, which is really saying something.

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2015, 03:09:23 PM »
god forbid the first post being about the actual tragedy...


"obama says this....he sucks"


sickening and disappointing.

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2015, 04:12:14 PM »
Nobody said Obama sucks.  But he does.  And this is unacceptable. 

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2015, 04:51:32 PM »
Why is it wrong to talk about gun control right after yet another horrible shooting

Don't we talk about all kinds of reform after other terrible events where peoplek die, like flooding for example

Why is this suddenly off limits and in need of some kind of waiting period when we all know the people who oppose it will have the same opposition now as they would any other time

Sorry, I'm not buying the phony outrage


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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2015, 06:48:43 PM »
This is the kind of thing that makes people say liberalism is a mental disorder.

SC House Minority Leader Blames Fox News for Charleston Shooting
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by IAN HANCHETT
18 Jun 2015

South Carolina State House Minority Leader Rep. J. Todd Rutherford (D) argued that the shooting at a church in Charleston was due to the fact that the shooter “watches things like Fox News” among other factors on Thursday’s broadcast of CNN’s “The Lead.”

Rutherford, who was friends with one of those killed in the shooting, said, “The problem is this, the rhetoric in South Carolina, the rhetoric nationwide, has led people to believe like this young man, that it’s okay to walk into a church and take nine lives. That it’s okay to take the life of a state senator, that it’s okay to sit in a church, and pray with people for an hour before you decide to take their lives. It’s not okay. It needs to change.”

He continued, “South Carolina is one of five states that does not have a hate crimes law. South Carolina is still the only state that I am aware of that still flies a Confederate flag in front of the State House dome. South Carolina represents, and is emblematic of the problem, which is words that come from these networks that broadcast what they call news, but it’s not. It’s really hate speech and coded language, and leads people to believe that they can walk into a church, because it’s no longer a house of God, it’s a killing ground. It’s a place they can feel free to desecrate and leave blood everywhere, and that’s what this young man did. And he did so based on some ill-gotten belief, on some wrong belief that it’s okay to do that. He hears that, because he watches the news, and he watches things like Fox News, where they talk about things that they call news, but they’re really not. They use that coded language, they use hate speech, they talk about the president as if he’s not the president. They talk about church-goers as if they’re really not church-goers. And that’s what this young man acted on. That’s why he could walk into a church and treat people like animals when they’re really human beings.”

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/06/18/sc-house-minority-leader-blames-fox-news-for-charleston-shooting/

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2015, 07:06:40 PM »
This is the kind of thing that makes people say liberalism is a mental disorder.

SC House Minority Leader Blames Fox News for Charleston Shooting
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by IAN HANCHETT
18 Jun 2015

South Carolina State House Minority Leader Rep. J. Todd Rutherford (D) argued that the shooting at a church in Charleston was due to the fact that the shooter “watches things like Fox News” among other factors on Thursday’s broadcast of CNN’s “The Lead.”

Rutherford, who was friends with one of those killed in the shooting, said, “The problem is this, the rhetoric in South Carolina, the rhetoric nationwide, has led people to believe like this young man, that it’s okay to walk into a church and take nine lives. That it’s okay to take the life of a state senator, that it’s okay to sit in a church, and pray with people for an hour before you decide to take their lives. It’s not okay. It needs to change.”

He continued, “South Carolina is one of five states that does not have a hate crimes law. South Carolina is still the only state that I am aware of that still flies a Confederate flag in front of the State House dome. South Carolina represents, and is emblematic of the problem, which is words that come from these networks that broadcast what they call news, but it’s not. It’s really hate speech and coded language, and leads people to believe that they can walk into a church, because it’s no longer a house of God, it’s a killing ground. It’s a place they can feel free to desecrate and leave blood everywhere, and that’s what this young man did. And he did so based on some ill-gotten belief, on some wrong belief that it’s okay to do that. He hears that, because he watches the news, and he watches things like Fox News, where they talk about things that they call news, but they’re really not. They use that coded language, they use hate speech, they talk about the president as if he’s not the president. They talk about church-goers as if they’re really not church-goers. And that’s what this young man acted on. That’s why he could walk into a church and treat people like animals when they’re really human beings.”

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/06/18/sc-house-minority-leader-blames-fox-news-for-charleston-shooting/

This guy doesn't speak for liberals or Dems just like idiots like Louie Gomert and Todd Akin don't speak for conservatives

Good job though Bum perpetrating the Left - Right divisive bullshit and on the same day and same topic that you criticized Obama for politicizing

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2015, 06:37:21 AM »
Why is it wrong to talk about gun control right after yet another horrible shooting

Don't we talk about all kinds of reform after other terrible events where peoplek die, like flooding for example

Why is this suddenly off limits and in need of some kind of waiting period when we all know the people who oppose it will have the same opposition now as they would any other time

Sorry, I'm not buying the phony outrage



The difference is when there is a flood, do they talk about water control? The number of people killed by guns is small in comparison to say auto accidents, it is an agenda that has been going on for years. Guns bad.
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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2015, 07:03:03 AM »
Nobody said Obama sucks.  But he does.  And this is unacceptable. 
Quite possibly the dumbest thing im going to read all week.

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2015, 07:16:09 AM »
Classy response by Brother Carson.

Obama could learn from a man like him but unfortunately his heart and soul is so rotten that when a horrible tragedy like this occurs all he can think about is political opportunity.

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2015, 07:16:26 AM »
The wheels are coming off society and you lib douches blame Fox News.....
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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2015, 07:30:27 AM »
I think its the drugs and soft touch approach to nutbags that leads to this shit. They used to lock up these guys. He got the guy from his dad as a present. What gun law anywhere prevents that? None.....I gotta laugh at the  "pre-Apartheid South African and Rhodesia" flag comments. I think they need a history lesson on who built those countries and the state they're in now.
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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2015, 08:47:11 AM »
Quite possibly the dumbest thing im going to read all week.

Glad I could help.   :)

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2015, 08:50:26 AM »
I understand this man is upset by this tragedy and the loss of his friend, but this kind of rhetoric from someone in his position is completely irresponsible. 

Bill O’Reilly Confronts S.C. State Rep Who Connected Fox News to Charleston Shooting
By Curtis Houck
June 19, 2015

O’Reilly Factor host Bill O’Reilly engaged in a heated battle with South Carolina Democratic Representative Todd Rutherford on Thursday evening over Ruthford’s dubious claims that he made hours earlier about how the alleged gunman in the deadly Charleston church shooting had sought guidance from “things like Fox News” as it supposedly offers “hate speech.”

The roughly three-minute exchange revolved mainly around Rutherford’s belief that alleged shooter Dylann Roof was a viewer of the Fox News Channel (FNC) where it “continues to cover stories as to whether the President is truly the President” and inferred that it enabled him to claim during the massacre that “black people are raping white women.”

Before things got heated, O’Reilly played a clip of Rutherford’s original comments in which told CNN’s Jake Tapper that:

And he [Dylann Roof] did so based on some ill gotten belief on some wrong belief that it's okay to do that. He hears that because he watches the news and he watches things like Fox News where they – where they talk about things that they call news but they are really not. They use that coded language, they use hate speech. They talk about the President as if he is not the President.

Recognizing that Rutherford is “upset and I know it’s an emotional day” in having lost a friend in State Senator Clementa Pinckney, O’Reilly gave him an opportunity to further explain his remarks, but Rutherford doubled down:

No, no, it is disturbing but it is disturbing to most African-Americans to watch as Fox News continues to cover stories as to whether the President is truly the President and whether he was born in this country, whether his birth certificate is legitimate.

After asserting O’Reilly didn’t know “know anybody on this network who does that,” he continued on: “Now, you say that this Roof kid watches Fox News. Do you know what he watches Fox News?”

Rutherford then repeatedly tried to excuse his comments by stating that Roof sought outlets “like Fox News” and asserted that it led to him allegedly referencing during the shooting that “black people [are] raping white women.” O’Reilly, who seemed shocked, asked: “You are equating what Dylann Roof did in our church to our commentary here?”

Without explicitly giving an answer, Rutherford suggested that Roof “didn't make it up” or “generate that out of the sky.” Going back to the President, Rutherford again contended that FNC perpetuates birtherism stories concerning the President and if his presidency itself is legitimate.

After asking Rutherford to slow down and let him speak, O’Reilly flatly wondered: “Are you going to stand there tonight and say that Fox News justifies brutal crimes against black Americans? Is that what you are going to do?”

Rutherford denied that premise and again deployed a red herring by throwing O’Reilly’s question back at him: “No. That's you saying that and you are, again, inflaming the rhetoric.”

The relevant portions of the transcript from FNC’s The O’Reilly Factor on June 18 can be found below.

FNC’s The O’Reilly Factor
June 18, 2015
8:31 p.m. Eastern

SOUTH CAROLINA DEMOCRATIC STATE REPRESENTATIVE TODD RUTHERFORD [on CNN’s The Lead with Jake Tapper]: And he did so based on some ill gotten belief on some wrong belief that it's okay to do that. He hears that because he watches the news and he watches things like Fox News where they – where they talk about things that they call news but they are really not. They use that coded language, they use hate speech. They talk about the President as if he is not the president.

BILL O’REILLY: Do you want to – are you going to stand by that? I mean, it's disturbing. I know you are upset and I know it's an emotional day.

RUTHERFORD: No, no, it is disturbing but it is disturbing to most African-Americans to watch as Fox News continues to cover stories as to whether the president is truly the president and whether he was born in this country, whether his birth certificate is legitimate.

O’REILLY: Ok, I don't know – I don’t know anybody on this network –

RUTHERFORD: You mean that has ceased –

O’REILLY: – I don’t know anybody on this network who does that. No one and I see everything here.

(....)

O’REILLY: Now, you say that this Roof kid watches Fox News. Do you know what he watches Fox News?

RUTHERFORD: No, what I said is that he’s like Fox News –

O’REILLY: No, you said he watches Fox News.

RUTHERFORD: I didn't say that he watched Fox News. I said, again, things like Fox News and so, again, the rhetoric that he spoke on that – in the church when he talked about black –

O’REILLY: You are equating what Dylann Roof did in our church to our commentary here?

RUTHERFORD: – people raping white women. Again, about black people raping white women, about black people raping white women, he didn't make it up. He didn't just generate that out of the sky –


O’REILLY: Wait, I want to be clear.

RUTHERFORD: and so, what I said –

O’REILLY: You think –

RUTHERFORD: – was people watching things – people watching things that they think are news but are not –

O’REILLY: You think that Fox News justifies –

RUTHERFORD: – like President Obama is not – is not –

O’REILLY: Mr. Rutherford,

RUTHERFORD: – a citizen of the United States.

O’REILLY: – let me get the question out. Are you going to stand there tonight and say that Fox News justifies brutal crimes against black Americans? Is that what you are going to do?

RUTHERFORD: No. That's you saying that and you are, again, inflaming the rhetoric.

(....)

RUTHERFORD: What I said is people watching the news that they think are news, but it is not. News stories like whether the President is a citizen of the United States, that's not news. That's fallacy. That was carried on your network on Fox News for years.

(....)

O’REILLY: I have got to say I think Senator Pinckney, I know you are a good friend of his and I know you are upset, but I don't think he would have embraced that kind of rhetoric today, sir. I really don't, but I appreciate you coming on.

RUTHERFORD: I don’t think he would have embraced the rhetoric you just said.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/curtis-houck/2015/06/19/bill-oreilly-confronts-sc-state-rep-who-connected-fox-news-charleston#sthash.o9FwZ74h.dpuf

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2015, 08:50:42 AM »
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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2015, 09:34:16 AM »
Hillary Clinton calls for Charleston shooting to prompt serious discussion on gun control, racism
BY CAMERON JOSEPH 
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Friday, June 19, 2015

Hillary Clinton said Thursday that the Charleston shooting must prompt a serious discussion on gun control and racism.
WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton said that the “horrific massacre” of nine South Carolina churchgoers must prompt a serious discussion about gun control and racism during a Thursday speech.

“In the days ahead we will once again ask what led to this terrible tragedy and where we as a nation need to go. In order to make sense of it we have to be honest. We have to face hard truths about race, violence, guns and division,” she said during a speech to Latino office-holders in Las Vegas.

Clinton alluded to other recent shooting sprees, warning that they’ll continue if the U.S. doesn’t reexamine its gun policies.

“How many innocent people in our country, from little children to church members to movie theater attendees, how many people do we need to see cut down before we act?” she said.

“As we mourn and as our hearts break a little more, we send this message of solidarity that we will not forsake those who have been victimized by gun violence. This time we have to find answers together,” she said.

Victims of Charleston Church Shooting Massacre were Diverse Group Brought Together by Christian Faith
NY Daily News

Clinton was in North Charleston just hours before the murders occurred for a Wednesday campaign event.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-clinton-calls-gun-control-talks-charleston-article-1.2263370

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2015, 09:46:46 AM »
Someone who gets it.

Carson: 'The heart of the matter is not guns'
By Mark Hensch
June 19, 2015

GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson on Thursday said further gun control is not the best solution to Wednesday’s mass shooting at a church in Charleston, S.C.

“The heart of the matter is not guns,” Carson told host Megyn Kelly on Fox News’s “The Kelly File” on Thursday evening.

“The heart of the matter is the heart,” he said, “the heart and soul of people.”
“You know, this young man didn’t wake up yesterday and suddenly turn into a maniac,” Carson said of Dylann Storm Roof, 21, the suspect in Wednesday night’s shooting.

“Clearly, there have been things in his background, in his upbringing that led to the type of mentality that would allow him to do something like this,” he added.

“And one of the things that I think that we really need to start concentrating on in this country is once again instilling the right kinds of values, particularly in our young people.”

Reports emerged on Friday that Roof had confessed to the attack at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church.

The massacre there on Wednesday night left nine dead, including Rev. Clementa Pinckney, a South Carolina state senator.

Carson urged Americans on Thursday to focus on their similarities rather than their differences in the wake of the shooting.

“It’s destroying our nation,” said Carson of America’s cultural divides.

“You know, we have a war on women, race wars, income wars, age wars, religious wars. Anything you could imagine, we have a war on it,” he said. “And we’re giving people a license to hate people who disagree with them.”

“Well, I hope that we, the American people, can come to the understanding that we are not each other’s enemies,” Carson added.

“The enemies are those who are stoking the flames of division, trying to divide us into every category and weakening us as a society.”

Roof allegedly uttered racial epithets before opening fire on congregants at Emanuel AME on Wednesday evening.

Carson argued on Thursday that the incident should not prevent Americans from seeking greater harmony.

“You know, we have succumbed to the purveyors of division in all those different categories, including race,” he said.

“And it’s going to be up to us the people to begin the focus on the positive things, on the things that we have in common, and stop listening to those who stoke the fires of division,” Carson said.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/245525-carson-the-heart-of-the-matter-is-not-guns

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2015, 09:55:06 AM »
The difference is when there is a flood, do they talk about water control? The number of people killed by guns is small in comparison to say auto accidents, it is an agenda that has been going on for years. Guns bad.

they talk about reforms to prevent future incidents or reforms to lessen the damage of future incidents

I don't see why mass death from gun violence is any different

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2015, 10:39:36 AM »
He got the gun as a "gift" - He wasn't legally able to buy one.

I don't see eliminating that gift/gunshow loophole as "gun control".  I see it as actual enforcement of existing law saying you need a background check to buy one.  Just like the @#$$*@&^* rest of us.

It's like "no speeding - except in that outside lane where you can go 100 mph".  Just don't have the law, if that's the case.  Ex-cons CAN buy guns using the loophole.  People with mental issues documented CAN buy guns from a buddy or get a "gift".

I guess people see any effort to ENFORCE the law as a NEW law.  I see it as "something exists which PREVENTS the existing law requiring background checks to be enforced, and they want to eliminate that.

If you don't support ending the loophole, I don't see how you support the original law requiring background checks - since it essentially nullifies this law.  Therefore YOU want to change the gun laws, just like Hilary does.

I lvoe my guns, but I bought them all legally.   Can't we expect ex-cons and crazy people to do the same?

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2015, 03:35:34 PM »
Absolutely amazing display of dignity and forgiveness by the family members.

'I forgive you': Suspect stone-faced as relatives of church massacre victims offer compassion
Published June 19, 2015
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The suspect in the Charleston church massacre stood stone-faced from jail Friday, two heavily armed guards behind him as he heard relatives of his nine victims bare their grief and offer forgiveness in a video court appearance where he was ordered held without bail.

"You have killed some of the most beautifulest people that I know," Felecia Sanders, mother of victim Tywanza Sanders, told Dylann Roof, speaking from the courtroom. "Every fiber in my body hurts ... May God have mercy on you."

The daughter of Ethel Lance, another of the nine victims in the Wednesday night attack at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, had a similar message for the 21-year-old alleged killer, who police believe attended a Bible study meeting at the church, where he was embraced by strangers only to open fire on them for no apparent reason.

June 18: Charleston, S.C., shooting suspect Dylann Storm Roof is escorted from the Sheby Police Department in Shelby, N.C. (AP)
"You hurt a lot of people," she said, "But I forgive you."

"Repent. Confess. Give your life to the one who matters the most, Christ, so he can change your ways no matter what happens to you and you'll be OK," said Anthony Thompson, who represented the family of victim Myra Thompson.

Roof, who was caught Thursday morning in Shelby, N.C., some 240 miles from the scene of carnage at the venerable southern church, stood handcuffed in a jail jumpsuit, showing no emotion as the parade of loved ones returned his vacant stare with their words of compassion.

Magistrate James Gosnell urged people to rally around the families of the dead, as well as Roof's own family. Gosnell set a $1 million bond for a weapons charge but doesn't have the authority to set bond on the nine murder counts that Roof faces. That will be left up to a circuit judge at a later date. Gosnell informed Roof his first court appearance is Oct. 23.

"Charleston is a very strong community," Gosnell said. "We have a big heart...And we're going to reach out to everyone, all victims...And we will touch them."

The dramatic hearing came hours after Roof confessed to opening fire inside the historically black church, killing nine people, a source close to the investigation told Fox News on Friday.

"This is pure hate," South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley said outside the church Friday morning.

"There’s a very evil kid out there that we need to blame," Haley said. "I talked to my investigators (Thursday) and they looked pure evil in the eye."

Following Friday's hearing, Ninth Circuit Solicitor Scarlett Wilson, who represents the state, told reporters, "My mission is to be bring justice for this community and especially for the victims in this case." Roof's court-appointed attorney, Ninth Circuit Public Defender Ashley Pennington, did not comment to reporters.

Surveillance video showed Roof entering the church at approximately 8:15 p.m. local time Wednesday, 50 minutes before police said they received the first call about the shooting. The Charleston Post and Courier newspaper reported the Bible study group had been examining passages from the Gospel according to Mark. Law enforcement officials told The Washington Post that Roof sat quietly and declined to take part in any discussion.

Snapchat video taken by one of the victims, 26-year-old Tywanza Sanders, appears to show Roof moments before the shooting. It was obtained by the website Mashable and shows a white man sitting in one corner of the discussion group. The man's face is not visible, but he is wearing the gray sweatshirt authorities said Roof was wearing at the time of the shooting.

"This is pure hate ... I talked to my investigators and they looked pure evil in the eye."

- South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley

Cynthia Taylor, whose 87-year-old aunt Susie Jackson was among the victims, told the Associated Press that shooting survivor Felecia Sanders told Taylor that Sanders had played dead as she lay on top of her granddaughter to protect her during the shooting. Another survivor, a trustee of the church, said Roof told her he would let her live so that she could tell others what had happened.

Sylvia Johnson, a cousin of Emanuel's murdered pastor, state Sen. Clementa Pinckney, told NBC News that Roof said as he started shooting, "I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country. And you have to go." Witnesses said Roof shot his victims at close range, stopping to reload several times.

The Justice Department said the shooting would be investigated as a hate crime, while school friends of Roof's described a young man with strong racist views that had sharpened in the past few months.

Haley said the gunman should get the death penalty. "We will seek the death penalty," she told reporters outside the church Friday. "You will absolutely pay the price."

In an interview with The Associated Press, Joseph Meek Jr. said he and Roof had been best friends in middle school but lost touch when Roof moved away about five years ago. The two reconnected a few weeks ago after Roof reached out to Meek on Facebook, Meek said.

Roof never talked about race years ago when they were friends, but recently made remarks out of the blue about the killing of unarmed black 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Florida and the riots in Baltimore over the death of Freddie Gray in police custody, Meek said.

"He said blacks were taking over the world. Someone needed to do something about it for the white race," Meek said, adding that the friends were getting drunk on vodka. "He said he wanted segregation between whites and blacks. I said, 'That's not the way it should be.' But he kept talking about it."

Dalton Tyler, Roof's roommate, told ABC News that Roof had been "planning something like [the shooting] for six months."

"He was big into segregation and other stuff," Tyler said. "He said he wanted to start a civil war. He said he was going to do something like that and then kill himself."

Tyler told The New York Times that he did not take Roof's statements seriously.

"I was just like, 'You’re stupid,'" Mr. Tyler said. "He was a racist; but I don’t judge people."

Meeks said Roof also told him that he had used birthday money from his parents to buy a gun and that he had "a plan." He didn't elaborate on what it was, but Meeks said he was worried — and said he knew Roof had the "Glock" — a .45 caliber pistol — in the trunk of his car.

Meek said he took the gun from the trunk of Roof's car and hid it in his house, just in case.

"I didn't think he would do anything," he said.

The church is a landmark in Charleston, which is known as "The Holy City."
But the next day, when Roof was sober, he gave it back. Officials told The Washington Post that Roof had the gun on him when he was arrested Thursday.

Meek said when he woke up Wednesday morning, Roof was at his house, sleeping in his car outside. Later that day, Roof dropped Meek off at a lake with his brother Jacob, but Roof hated the outdoors and decided he would rather go see a movie.

Jacob said that when he got in the car, Roof told him he should be careful moving his backpack in the car because of the "magazines." He said he thought Roof was referring to periodicals, not the devices that store ammunition.

"Now it all makes sense," he said.

Joseph Meek said he didn't see his friend again until a surveillance-camera image of a young man with a soup-bowl haircut was broadcast on television Thursday morning in the wake of the shooting. Meek said he didn't think twice about calling authorities.

"I didn't think it was him. I knew it was him," he said.

Roof's Facebook page, which has been removed since the shooting, appeared to confirm white supremacist views. One picture showed Roof staring into the camera while wearing patches depicting the flags of apartheid South Africa, and white-ruled Rhodesia, which became known as Zimbabwe in 1980.

Roof displayed a Confederate flag on his license plate, according to Meek's mother, Kimberly Konzny, but that is not unusual in the South.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights group that tracks hate organizations and extremists, said it was not aware of Roof before the rampage. And some other friends interviewed said they did not know him to be racist.

"I never thought he'd do something like this," said high school friend Antonio Metze, 19, who is black. "He had black friends."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/19/survivors-charleston-church-shooting-played-dead-friends-say/

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2015, 11:00:20 AM »
More politicization.  They just cannot help themselves. 

HILLARY CLINTON: DONALD TRUMP’S SPEECH DRIVES CHARLESTON-LIKE VIOLENCE

Hillary Clinton Holds Campaign Forum At Trident Technical College In North Charleston, SC
by BEN SHAPIRO
19 Jun 2015

Hillary Clinton Blames Donald Trump's Rhetoric for the Charleston Massacre
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On Thursday, 2016 Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton blamed the Charleston, South Carolina church shootings by racist Dylann Roof on the rhetoric of 2016 Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.

Speaking with host John Ralston, she explained, “Public discourse is sometimes hotter and more negative than it should be, which can, in my opinion, trigger someone who is less than stable.” She continued, “I think we have to speak out against it. Like, for example, a recent entry into the Republican presidential campaign said some very inflammatory things about Mexicans. Everybody should stand up and say that’s not acceptable.”

Presumably, Hillary was referencing Trump’s comments during his announcement speech in which he said Mexico was sending people across the border: “They’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Dylann Roof murdered nine people at a historically black church. There are no reports he was a fan of Donald Trump, or that Roof shot six black women and three black men after being inspired by Trump’s rhetoric about Hispanic illegal immigrants.

But facts have no bearing on such nonsensical arguments. This hatred for the First Amendment – the European notion that freedom of speech must be curtailed in order to avoid triggering the unstable or evil – has become a hallmark of the left. Whether the left blames Pamela Geller for the violence of radical Muslims who try to murder people for drawing cartoons of Mohammed, blames Sarah Palin for Jared Loughner’s shooting of Gabrielle Giffords, or mistakenly blames the Tea Party for James Holmes, right wing speech has become their bugaboo.

Of course, the same does not hold true for the left, according to the left. When Mayor Bill De Blasio shut down New York police use of stop and frisk, sending crime skyrocketing, then followed up that botchery by blaming racist cops for the death of Eric Garner while invoking his biracial son (he said he and his wife “have had to talk to Dante for years about the dangers that he may face” from police) – and when two NYPD officers were then murdered in cold blood — the NYPD turned their backs on him. The left promptly blamed the NYPD for the rift.

When Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said on national television, “We also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that” with regard to rioters, the left said she had been taken out of context. When the president of the United States spoke in the aftermath of the Ferguson verdict and railed that “there are still problems and communities of color aren’t just making these problems up… there are issues in which the law too often feels as if it is being applied in discriminatory fashion,” and when violent riots broke out, the left insisted that the president had forwarded race relations.

As for Hillary Clinton herself, the former Secretary of State is no stranger to inflammatory rhetoric. In her campaign relaunch announcement, she accused Republicans of wanting to “take away health insurance from more than 16 million Americans… sham[ing] and blam[ing] women… put[ing] immigrants who work hard and pay taxes at risk of deportation… turn[ing] their backs on gay people who love each other.” She has accused Republicans of attempting to stop black people from voting. She has insisted that religious people must be forced to abandon their religious beliefs on social issues. When she was in the Senate, Clinton screamed from the floor regarding the Bush Administration’s intelligence before 9/11, “What did Bush know and when did he know it?”

But naturally, that’s just politics. It always is, when leftists are participating in it. When right-wingers engage in First Amendment-protected speech, however, they’d best watch themselves: you never know when the next evil maniac is around the corner. Perhaps the only safe course would be to curtail the First Amendment to prevent such rhetoric. After all, if only we can save one life, is that so high a price to pay?

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2015/06/19/hillary-clinton-donald-trumps-speech-drives-charleston-like-violence/

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Re: In Wake Of South Carolina Shooting, Obama Calls For Gun Control
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2015, 12:37:35 PM »
The difference is when there is a flood, do they talk about water control? The number of people killed by guns is small in comparison to say auto accidents, it is an agenda that has been going on for years. Guns bad.

No, they talk about how God is punishing  *___insert state/city/location here___*  because the country is allowing gays to marry.