Casey Viator admits he (and Mentzer) used high doses and GH

[Hulk-smash!]

LOL, I doubt Jones cared and simply wanted to "prove" Nautilus machines and HIT were the superior path.

Call Jim Flanagan at the Gainsville YMCA & ask him how AJ felt about drugs.  Ask him about what he did to a guy who offered his son a joint.

No one fooled Jones about steroids.  Ask Darden.

[The_Iron_Disciple]

im starting to think bigro is trolling when he talks about gear, the man is so full of shit it's not even funny anymore.
so thats right, a guy tryin to get big as possible isnt going to use a super powerful anabolic drug that is not only legal but often times free or almost so? wow. gotta be dumb as a brick to think someone wouldnt.

Every post I've read by Goku is spot on. I'm a national level bodybuilder with many a contacts. His info is SPOT ON.

[240 is Back]

wow, GH been in use for 45 years?

[Hulkotron]

wow, GH been in use for 45 years?

Hitler only had access to under-dosed Chinese knock-offs or else we'd all be posting in German right now.

[Hulk-smash!]

wow, GH been in use for 45 years?

Bro they've been sucking stuff outta corpses (?) & injecting it into patients since the early 1800's.  Maybe longer.

[tommywishbone]

On the topic of price-

-In 1981-1983 I was a member of Kaiser Medical Group Insurance.  Through my Kaiser plan and with a prescription from a well known doctor, I was able to get Ciba-Geigy (the original patent holder and the pharmaceutical house that invented methandrostrenalone "Dianabol") Dianabol for $1 per bottle. One dollar. 100 tabs (robin's egg blue) that was the trademarked color, 5 mg per tab.

$1

I would receive a script with a 10x refill approval every ten days.

[The_Iron_Disciple]

On the topic of price-

-In 1981-1983 I was a member of Kaiser Medical Group Insurance.  Through my Kaiser plan and with a prescription from a well known doctor, I was able to get Ciba-Geigy (the original patent holder and the pharmaceutical house that invented methandrostrenalone "Dianabol") Dianabol for $1 per bottle. One dollar. 100 tabs (robin's egg blue) that was the trademarked color, 5 mg per tab.

$1

I would receive a script with a 10x refill approval every ten days.

Gawdamn !!

Me jealous

[Hulk-smash!]

Its great that medical science has since seen how worthless steroids are.  The attempt to reduce the androgenic properties & increase the anabolic ones was totally futile & pointless.  Exogenous use of synthetic versions of testosterone in the attempt to induce large scale increases in muscular mass is stupid & ultimately damn near suicidal.  Super health is a biological impossibility.  Your either healthy or unhealthy there is no in between.

[Ronnie Rep]

On the topic of price-

-In 1981-1983 I was a member of Kaiser Medical Group Insurance.  Through my Kaiser plan and with a prescription from a well known doctor, I was able to get Ciba-Geigy (the original patent holder and the pharmaceutical house that invented methandrostrenalone "Dianabol") Dianabol for $1 per bottle. One dollar. 100 tabs (robin's egg blue) that was the trademarked color, 5 mg per tab.

$1

I would receive a script with a 10x refill approval every ten days.

1980 for my first BB show. Had a buddy in my gym in S.FL. who got blank scripts from his Dr. Would give me about 2 or 3. Would fill them out for original Ciba blue D-Bol with 1 refill. Paid $15 a bottle at my neighborhood drugstore.

[Straw Man]

I met Mike after Ray introduced me at Golds in 1991. I gave him a story I wrote after the 1980 Mr Olympia that no magazine would publish. I never made a copy of it and I doubt Mike kept it.

We talked about hypertrophy but neither of us budged from our positions. I always considered Mike to be one of the few true philosophers who were bodybuilders. I even read some Ayn Rand but

never subscribed to her selfishness philosophy like Mike and Ray did. I studied philosophy at university and there were never any courses re Ayn Rand. She was a good writer, however, and she

did affect what Mike did in life. Mike had this notion that there is only one true explanation for any phenomenon. If you knew the explanation then that was all there was to know about the subject.

So it was about bodybuilding and hypertrophy. Mike was convinced, a la Arthur Jones, that it was intensity that triggered growth. He also trained infrequently because he felt the muscles needed

time to recover and rebuild. What a shame both Mike and Arthur got it wrong. Intensity is a factor for sure but only one factor in the formula. The other is volume. You can keep your muscles training

like Mike and Ray did but you seldom build much using the Heavy Duty method. Oh, you will make gains for a while but eventually you will plateau. What a shame Mike died before the internet was

a big deal. He would have been great online debating everyone. He did write a lot of articles so at least we have those.

You see, Mike believed he knew about hypertrophy. He knew the one true theory. When he lost to Arnold and placed 4th in 1980 his whole world collapsed. His beliefs were shattered and Mike took

to using drugs and carrying on like a crazy person. It was sad for Ray and others who knew him. When he emerged from those crazy years and tried to earn a living he found some wealth again.

He smoked like a chimney and didn't train any longer....or very little. Yet people out there wanted information so he wrote books and published articles. The videos were supposed to bring him even

more money but he died while making them so that pretty much ended the Mentzer era.

it should have been pretty easy to prove to Mike that there is more than one true explanation for the "phenomenon" of hypertrophy.

Shit, he had examples of it all around him in the gym and he could have looked at other sports and see examples of muscle development that were not the result of his very strident beliefs.

[drmarkp]

The impression that Casey trained for the 1971' 'Mr. America' contest under Arthur Jones without the use of anabolic steroids is legendary.. However it would not surprise me if he had; in fact I might even surprise me more if he hadn't..

Granted that Casey had extraordinary potential, by the early seventies, every other name bodybuilder was using steroids at the time; so why not Casey? If Casey had in fact used them, then the question is; how did he keep them from Arthur? In one of his journals, Art Jones even discusses how he made an exception with Sergio's steroid use during his time at the Nautilus compound. He stated that Sergio had been using them for too long, and that to get off of them would prove to have detrimental side effects for him.

Could it be that Arthur Jones somewhat also made the same exception for Casey? Does anyone have any evidence to this one way or the other? This has to be considered one of the great mysteries of the bodybuilding ages..

Someone on this thread made a negative comment about Caseys' chest.. See the attached pic of showing an epic side chest shot of Casey at only 19 Y.O. when he won the AAU 'Mr. America'

[Straw Man]

The impression that Casey trained for the 1971' 'Mr. America' contest under Arthur Jones without the use of anabolic steroids is legendary.. However it would not surprise me if he had; in fact I might even surprise me more if he hadn't..

Granted that Casey had extraordinary potential, by the early seventies, every other name bodybuilder was using steroids at the time; so why not Casey? If Casey had in fact used them, then the question is; how did he keep them from Arthur? In one of his journals, Art Jones even discusses how he made an exception with Sergio's steroid use during his time at the Nautilus compound. He stated that Sergio had been using them for too long, and that to get off of them would prove to have detrimental side effects for him.

Could it be that Arthur Jones somewhat also made the same exception for Casey? Does anyone have any evidence to this one way or the other? This has to be considered one of the great mysteries of the bodybuilding ages..

yeah, Casey would never lie to Jones

[ritch]

On the topic of price-

-In 1981-1983 I was a member of Kaiser Medical Group Insurance.  Through my Kaiser plan and with a prescription from a well known doctor, I was able to get Ciba-Geigy (the original patent holder and the pharmaceutical house that invented methandrostrenalone "Dianabol") Dianabol for $1 per bottle. One dollar. 100 tabs (robin's egg blue) that was the trademarked color, 5 mg per tab.

$1

I would receive a script with a 10x refill approval every ten days.

$1? Ha, very cool...

But please tell me noboby believes that Casey was natural, LOL@that shit, fuck some of you are flat out gullible imbeciles.

[honest]

Mike smoked like a chimney like many junkies, he was high as a kite on speed the whole time battling his psychosis.
You could be halfway through a conversation with him and just lose him right there, it was sad watching him deterioate.

[Tarantula157]

All Hearsay. Show me a video of Casey saying this then I'll believe it.

Exactly.Unreliable source.

[BigRo]

im starting to think bigro is trolling when he talks about gear, the man is so full of shit it's not even funny anymore.
so thats right, a guy tryin to get big as possible isnt going to use a super powerful anabolic drug that is not only legal but often times free or almost so? wow. gotta be dumb as a brick to think someone wouldnt.

some may be so stupid to run that much GH and Slin but its not necessary. 

[wes]

On the topic of price-

-In 1981-1983 I was a member of Kaiser Medical Group Insurance.  Through my Kaiser plan and with a prescription from a well known doctor, I was able to get Ciba-Geigy (the original patent holder and the pharmaceutical house that invented methandrostrenalone "Dianabol") Dianabol for $1 per bottle. One dollar. 100 tabs (robin's egg blue) that was the trademarked color, 5 mg per tab.

$1

I would receive a script with a 10x refill approval every ten days.

I`m extremely jealous Tom.......that stuff was great!!

[pellius]

yeah im pretty sure about that, i think i read it in a flex magazine article the rise and fall of mike mentzer


his close friends said he was making about a million a year before he died.

He was living in an apartment he shared with Ray in Redondo Bch, CA. It was about two miles from where I lived and it was no palace.

[drmarkp]

And Casey was in his by far best condition in 1971 100% natural.  Jones had his Nautilus paid apartnent searched regularly & had it bugged.  Anybody who thinks Casey fooled Jones is dumb as shit besides not knowing spit about how ruthless & violently opposed to drugs Jones was.  Ask Jim Flannigan he'll tell ya.

IOW - All the drugs he used did nothing to improve his physique.  Just as jones told him.

Natural or not; I agree that Casey's best look was at the 1971' 'Mr. America'.. He never looked as impressive after that.. If he managed to moved his physique a step forward into the late 70's and early eighties; then he took two steps backward..

[Ronnie Rep]

I`m extremely jealous Tom.......that stuff was great!!

Loved the original Ciba D-Bol.

[funk51]

The impression that Casey trained for the 1971' 'Mr. America' contest under Arthur Jones without the use of anabolic steroids is legendary.. However it would not surprise me if he had; in fact I might even surprise me more if he hadn't..

Granted that Casey had extraordinary potential, by the early seventies, every other name bodybuilder was using steroids at the time; so why not Casey? If Casey had in fact used them, then the question is; how did he keep them from Arthur? In one of his journals, Art Jones even discusses how he made an exception with Sergio's steroid use during his time at the Nautilus compound. He stated that Sergio had been using them for too long, and that to get off of them would prove to have detrimental side effects for him.

Could it be that Arthur Jones somewhat also made the same exception for Casey? Does anyone have any evidence to this one way or the other? This has to be considered one of the great mysteries of the bodybuilding ages..

Someone on this thread made a negative comment about Caseys' chest.. See the attached pic of showing an epic side chest shot of Casey at only 19 Y.O. when he won the AAU 'Mr. America'

i think he trained his chest..