the goal of the pdi?

[MisterMagoo]

i keep watching people like onlyme talking about how we need to spend more time on how to fuck the ifbb up more, and there's a lot of talk of tearing the ifbb down on the pdi side of things. so that begs the question: do you pdi supporters want bodybuilding to thrive, or do you just want the ifbb to fail?

i can understand wanting the ifbb to improve or to get a big overhaul, but it seems like you pdi supporters are turning this into a petty war of the federations, you're so mad at the way the higher-ups in the ifbb have handled things that you want to see the whole federation to come down.

that's a really immature and, frankly, bad way of approaching this. it's like you all forgot that the ifbb isn't just composed of chick and weider. there are guys whose careers are dependent on it and who do make some damn good money from it. look at all of the companies who sponsor events. muscletech has the olympia, for example. do you all honestly think that if the ifbb went under everything would get pushed over into the pdi and then everything would be awesome?

so what is it guys? do you want to see bodybuilding improve, or do you just want the ifbb to crash down no matter how badly it fucks over the athletes?

[ribonucleic]

The goal of the PDI?

Putting on a bodybuilding show would be a nice start.

[Sir William Idol]

i keep watching people like onlyme talking about how we need to spend more time on how to f**k the ifbb up more, and there's a lot of talk of tearing the ifbb down on the pdi side of things. so that begs the question: do you pdi supporters want bodybuilding to thrive, or do you just want the ifbb to fail?

i can understand wanting the ifbb to improve or to get a big overhaul, but it seems like you pdi supporters are turning this into a petty war of the federations, you're so mad at the way the higher-ups in the ifbb have handled things that you want to see the whole federation to come down.

that's a really immature and, frankly, bad way of approaching this. it's like you all forgot that the ifbb isn't just composed of chick and weider. there are guys whose careers are dependent on it and who do make some damn good money from it. look at all of the companies who sponsor events. muscletech has the olympia, for example. do you all honestly think that if the ifbb went under everything would get pushed over into the pdi and then everything would be awesome?

so what is it guys? do you want to see bodybuilding improve, or do you just want the ifbb to crash down no matter how badly it fucks over the athletes?

 

[gordiano]

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Holy shit. Is that the "joker" in you avatar Goat?

[MisterMagoo]

The goal of the PDI?

Putting on a bodybuilding show would be a nice start.

i mean long term. in five years, what do they want to see? ideally two competing federations pushing each other to get better and better, but even the ifbb started out with idealistic goals and the athletes in mind. no reason to think that the pdi wouldn't fall victim to the same bullshit the ifbb did if it was the only game in town.

[gordiano]

Magoo, you should be asking those questions to the group of Pros & experts around here. Afterall, they are hellbent on knocking the PDI before it even gets a shot to do something positive.



Personally, I don't want ot see the IFBB fail, but given their history, it is inevitable. Just look at the O.
I think competition is a good thing, for the bbers. More opportunities, equals more money.

[Tre]

... but even the ifbb started out with idealistic goals and the athletes in mind.

No, it didn't.

[onlyme]

i keep watching people like onlyme talking about how we need to spend more time on how to f**k the ifbb up more, and there's a lot of talk of tearing the ifbb down on the pdi side of things. so that begs the question: do you pdi supporters want bodybuilding to thrive, or do you just want the ifbb to fail?

i can understand wanting the ifbb to improve or to get a big overhaul, but it seems like you pdi supporters are turning this into a petty war of the federations, you're so mad at the way the higher-ups in the ifbb have handled things that you want to see the whole federation to come down.

that's a really immature and, frankly, bad way of approaching this. it's like you all forgot that the ifbb isn't just composed of chick and weider. there are guys whose careers are dependent on it and who do make some damn good money from it. look at all of the companies who sponsor events. muscletech has the olympia, for example. do you all honestly think that if the ifbb went under everything would get pushed over into the pdi and then everything would be awesome?

so what is it guys? do you want to see bodybuilding improve, or do you just want the ifbb to crash down no matter how badly it fucks over the athletes?

Where have I said I want people to spend ANY time fucking up the IFBB.  They are doing that just fine by themselves.  That is why the PDI was formed.  To make a better situation for the BB's than what is aailable to them now.  You talk out of your ass when you talk about my objectives.  I am pretty confident that I have spent more time and especially money promting bodybuilding than you have.  I see an opportunity to improve BB that is why I am supporting the PDI and Wayne.  The IFBB will not change that is the problem.  They DO NOT care.  And unless you knew anything about it then you can't relate. 

I could care less if the IFBB stays around or not.  If it does great.  It will be a good place for those who can't compete in the PDI to go.  But, mark my words the PDI will be the premier BB organizations within 5 years or less.  If it fails well it put it's own holes in its hull for a long time.

[Gord]

PDI is Wayne Demilia and Demilia until pretty recently was an important part of IFBB. So if IFBB should be criticized for various things over the years, then surely logic would indicate that Demilia (for so long a big figure in IFBB) should also receive his fair share of criticism too.

Also, the question arises, what is Demilia, under the PDI guise, going to do so differently to what he did under IFBB?

[onlyme]

PDI is Wayne Demilia and Demilia until pretty recently was an important part of IFBB. So if IFBB should be criticized for various things over the years, then surely logic would indicate that Demilia (for so long a big figure in IFBB) should also receive his fair share of criticism too.

Also, the question arises, what is Demilia, under the PDI guise, going to do so differently to what he did under IFBB?

I think that Wayne yes should absorb some (and I do mean some in a little way) whatever happened bad in the IFBB while he was there.  But, he was doing his job and was taking orders from the powers to be.  Like at any job you do what your boss tells you or you are fired.  I really think anyone who blames Wayne outright for anything that happened in the IFBB while he was there just really doesn't know Weider and how he works or jst chooses to ignore it.

And Wayne has told me a few things that he has proposed to the athletes that they love that will make the show different and better.  And you have to remember allot of things Wayne will be doing the Weiders would not allow.  Wayne has no one to answer to anymore.  That is why the PDI shows will be better.  The Weiders do NOT know how to promote a show and produce a show.  Why do you think they have others do it.  Cause they don't know how.  Wayne does.

[hifrommike]

There has never been a truly professional bodybuilding federation.  The IFBB was & will continue to be a for-profit business exploiting the contributions of bodybuilders, most of whom made nothing on their competitions or other contributions to the federation.  If it can make it, perhaps the PDI will be the first truly professional bodybuilding federation.  We can only hope it will achieve that. 

[Palpatine Q]

I think that Wayne yes should absorb some (and I do mean some in a little way) whatever happened bad in the IFBB while he was there.  But, he was doing his job and was taking orders from the powers to be.  Like at any job you do what your boss tells you or you are fired.  I really think anyone who blames Wayne outright for anything that happened in the IFBB while he was there just really doesn't know Weider and how he works or jst chooses to ignore it.

And Wayne has told me a few things that he has proposed to the athletes that they love that will make the show different and better.  And you have to remember allot of things Wayne will be doing the Weiders would not allow.  Wayne has no one to answer to anymore.  That is why the PDI shows will be better.  The Weiders do NOT know how to promote a show and produce a show.  Why do you think they have others do it.  Cause they don't know how.  Wayne does.

So you are saying anything BAD that happened on Wayne's watch was the Wieders fault, but the success they enjoyed was because Wayne's a good promoter? Youv'e taken ball-licking to a new level.

[onlyme]

So you are saying anything BAD that happened on Wayne's watch was the Wieders fault, but the success they enjoyed was because Wayne's a good promoter? Youv'e taken ball-licking to a new level.

No not really.  Cause YOU are the one that siad that not me.  So while your lips and tongue are away from your idols nuts I will fill you in.  And since you have no idea who Weider is and his reputation or have done business with him, then I take it you are a person who reads M&F and FLEX and buys Weider products and is not a competitve BB or have put on a show.  Am I right?  Thank you I know I was.

Everyone knows (except you I guess) that Wayne was the promoter for the Olympia.  Though he did not own it he did pay a sanction fee for the event plus everythiing it costs to put it on.  So in a way it was his show but still owned by the Weiders.  He paid the sanction fee to the IFBB (the Weiders).  Since you know nothing about what it takes to promote a show I won't even get into it but it takes allot of time and money.  Wayne did this part.  Everythiing associated with a show Wayne did.  He was the President of the IFBB (not owner).  IFBB owned by Weider.  If the boss (Weider) tells you do do something you do it or lose your job.  If you do something you tell your boss (Weider) what you are doing and make sure it is okay with him, or you lose your job.  If you do something, and your boss (Weider) doesn't know about it and he doesn't agree, you get fired.  Got it.  Hope so cause i can't explain it any other way.

Now 2004, Wayne is getting tired of having to do certain things and not be able to do things he wants to do to further BB and make it better.  So PDI is created.  But it is created without allot of thought and less preparation.  So it doesn't take off like planned.  No jump to 2006 (two yearsd after) Wayne has time to think exactly how he wants to do it.  He travels around the world pitching his idea.  He gets a very favorable response from nearly EVERY person he pitches to.  Now sponsors are being retained and athletes are being signed.  2 years difference from the first time and now.

No more Weiders to listen too, no more restrictions on how some things should have been done.  Now more freedom for the PDI pros, plenty of exposure and endorsements opportunites.

[bigdumbbell]

No not really.  Cause YOU are the one that siad that not me.  So while your lips and tongue are away from your idols nuts I will fill you in.  And since you have no idea who Weider is and his reputation or have done business with him, then I take it you are a person who reads M&F and FLEX and buys Weider products and is not a competitve BB or have put on a show.  Am I right?  Thank you I know I was.

Everyone knows (except you I guess) that Wayne was the promoter for the Olympia.  Though he did not own it he did pay a sanction fee for the event plus everythiing it costs to put it on.  So in a way it was his show but still owned by the Weiders.  He paid the sanction fee to the IFBB (the Weiders).  Since you know nothing about what it takes to promote a show I won't even get into it but it takes allot of time and money.  Wayne did this part.  Everythiing associated with a show Wayne did.  He was the President of the IFBB (not owner).  IFBB owned by Weider.  If the boss (Weider) tells you do do something you do it or lose your job.  If you do something you tell your boss (Weider) what you are doing and make sure it is okay with him, or you lose your job.  If you do something, and your boss (Weider) doesn't know about it and he doesn't agree, you get fired.  Got it.  Hope so cause i can't explain it any other way.

Now 2004, Wayne is getting tired of having to do certain things and not be able to do things he wants to do to further BB and make it better.  So PDI is created.  But it is created without allot of thought and less preparation.  So it doesn't take off like planned.  No jump to 2006 (two yearsd after) Wayne has time to think exactly how he wants to do it.  He travels around the world pitching his idea.  He gets a very favorable response from nearly EVERY person he pitches to.  Now sponsors are being retained and athletes are being signed.  2 years difference from the first time and now.

No more Weiders to listen too, no more restrictions on how some things should have been done.  Now more freedom for the PDI pros, plenty of exposure and endorsements opportunites.

kinda like the idea when lincoln freed the slaves