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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2015, 01:00:36 PM »
You have that 100% backwards.

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/4/1126.full

Vitamin D insufficiency is more prevalent among African Americans (blacks) than other Americans and, in North America, most young, healthy blacks do not achieve optimal 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D] concentrations at any time of year. This is primarily due to the fact that pigmentation reduces vitamin D production in the skin.


No, you have it 100% backwards...That's an old misinterpreted study...

How A Vitamin D Test Misdiagnosed African-Americans
NOVEMBER 20, 2013 6:01 PM ET

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/11/20/246393329/how-a-vitamin-d-test-misdiagnosed-african-americans


By the current blood test for vitamin D, most African-Americans are deficient. That can lead to weak bones. So many doctors prescribe supplement pills to bring their levels up.

But the problem is with the test, not the patients, according to a new study. The vast majority of African-Americans have plenty of the form of vitamin D that counts — the type their cells can readily use.

The research resolves a long-standing paradox.

"The population in the United States with the best bone health happens to be the African-American population," says Dr. Ravi Thadhani, a professor of medicine at Massachusetts General Hospital and lead author of the study. "But almost 80 percent of these individuals are defined as having vitamin D deficiency. This was perplexing."

The origin of this paradox is a fascinating tale of genes interacting with geography. More on that later.

To unravel the mystery, Thadhani and his colleagues looked closely at various forms of vitamin D in the blood of 2,085 Baltimore residents, black and white. They focused on a form of the vitamin called 25-hydroxyvitamin D, which makes up most of the vitamin circulating in the blood. It's the form that the standard test measures.

The 25-hydroxy form is tightly bound to a protein, and as a result, bone cells, immune cells and other tissues that need vitamin D can't take it up. It has to be converted by the kidneys into a form called 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D.

For Caucasians, blood levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D are a pretty good proxy for how much of the bioavailable vitamin they have. But not for blacks.

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That's because blacks have only a quarter to a third as much of the binding protein, Thadhani says. So the blood test for the 25-hydroxy form is misleading. His study finds that because of those lower levels of the protein, blacks still have enough of the bioavailable vitamin, which explains why their bones look strong even though the usual blood tests say they shouldn't.

"The conclusion from this study is that just because your total levels are low, it doesn't mean we need to replace vitamin D" using supplements, Thadhani says. The study was published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine.

The reason people of African descent have far less protein-bound vitamin D is probably related to the geographic origins of the human race. Our earliest ancestors lived near the equator in Africa, where sunlight was plentiful and intense year-round.

Vitamin D is synthesized in the skin when sunlight strikes it. When sunlight is deficient, the vitamin has to come from dietary sources such as eggs and fish oil.

For vitamin D supplements, more isn't necessarily better.
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Fewer Americans Need Vitamin D Supplements Under New Guidelines
Humans living in sunny climates make plenty of vitamin D on their own. In fact, one reason for the high degree of skin pigmentation in people of African descent is to prevent the synthesis of too much vitamin D, which can be toxic.

Early humans didn't need to store up reserves of vitamin D, so they didn't need as much of the binding protein, whose function is to squirrel the vitamin away in a form where it can be used later.

"Everyone who came out of Africa had the ancestral genotype associated with lower vitamin D-binding proteins," Thadhani says. "When humans moved to areas with less sunlight, a different genotype evolved. The further north they went, the more people needed reserves of vitamin D. So D-binding protein levels went up."

And that genetic difference in vitamin D-binding proteins is what researchers have finally figured out.

Reducing dietary salt and alcohol, exercising, not smoking and maintaining a healthy weight are other lifestyle tweaks known to help prevent or reduce high blood pressure, doctors say.
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Study Hints Vitamin D Might Help Curb High Blood Pressure
Dr. Michael Holick, a leading authority on vitamin D at Boston University Medical School, tells Shots that the new research is prompting him to resurrect blood samples from earlier studies to figure out whether the ill effects of low vitamin D in African-Americans and Caucasians are related to low levels of the bioavailable form or the protein-bound form.

While the effect of vitamin D on bone health is undisputed, Holick says, "there's a lot of controversy about [the vitamin's effect on] hypertension, diabetes, cancer and infectious diseases."

Meanwhile Holick, who wrote an editorial in the journal accompanying Thadhani's study, intends to keep giving his African-American patients vitamin D supplements when their blood levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D are low, even though they may not need the pills to maintain strong bones.

"There's no downside to supplementation, so it's not a big deal," Holick says.

But Thadhani says doctors should hold off on prescribing vitamin D until they do other tests to determine whether their African-American patients are really vitamin D deficient. Those tests include blood levels of calcium, bone density tests and parathyroid hormone levels.

There is currently no approved test for the bioavailable 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D, although Thadhani and his colleagues are working on one and have filed for a patent.

He says he used to take vitamin D supplements "until I realized there are genetic differences, then I stopped. I've looked at my bioavailable levels of vitamin D. Now I'm comforted to know that I'm not deficient."
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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2015, 01:08:00 PM »
So, because whites don't make vitamin D3 in the amounts we do, they need to supplement it. We can get it for free.

This is stuff, that is hidden for a host of reasons. Racism, power, control and money.

Blacks melanin does alot more than that they don't want us to know about as well.  Not announcing superiority.  I'm telling the truths they don't want blacks to know and that whites don't know.
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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2015, 01:08:50 PM »
You guys like studies?
Study this... (grabs package and shakes it...)
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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2015, 01:16:00 PM »
Not fat, 215lbs at 5'11" and I get 8 hours of direct sunlight a day even more on the weekends sometimes and heavy lifting has been out for years.  I assume it's a combination of lifting for years, my demanding job and I also have 5 kids ranging from 1 year to 15 years.  Had blood work done recently and the only negative marker was low HDL it was 38 I think.  I'm going to go ahead and buy a shit load of flax oil and gelatin and if that don't work I'll try the bare back methods mentioned above ;)

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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2015, 01:17:58 PM »
another vote for cissus here. Stuff works very good, but beware... The taste is horrid!
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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2015, 01:19:16 PM »
Not fat, 215lbs at 5'11" and I get 8 hours of direct sunlight a day even more on the weekends sometimes and heavy lifting has been out for years.  I assume it's a combination of lifting for years, my demanding job and I also have 5 kids ranging from 1 year to 15 years.  Had blood work done recently and the only negative marker was low HDL it was 38 I think.  I'm going to go ahead and buy a shit load of flax oil and gelatin and if that don't work I'll try the bare back methods mentioned above ;)

Bro, you're white, you need to supplement with vitamin D3. I'm serious.
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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2015, 01:23:37 PM »
Bro, you're white, you need to supplement with vitamin D3. I'm serious.

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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2015, 01:28:53 PM »
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Vitamin D rich foods will work as well. Dairy, oily fish, mushrooms, eggs, dairy alternatives
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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2015, 01:37:42 PM »
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I submit to you sir, because of our racial difference, we should be eating a different diet and our health should be based on a totally different scale.  I can't speak for mixed races.  I can for Black and white.  Our health or lack there of is based on European standards of health.  Clearly, we are different and this "misinterpreted" test proves my point.  It doesn't take rocket scientist to come up with a host of reasons on why this was done...My input is spreading the truth no matter how harsh it sounds and to help heal people physically, spiritually and emotionally. Racism is lower level tribal thinking.
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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2015, 01:45:12 PM »
My levels were at 68 on 10,000 a day. I also work outside 8-12 hours a day. I haven't got checked at 15,000iu yet.

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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2015, 06:29:28 PM »
Taking this 4 a year..

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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2015, 07:16:13 PM »
you can't take it, but this is the shit.
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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2015, 07:39:25 PM »
Could have to do with a highly acidic environment in your body. THE BEEF has started drinking baking soda and lemon juice in water twice a day and apple cider vinegar 1oz three times a day and in two weeks notices a big difference in everything,  including joint pain and flexibility.

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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2015, 06:51:10 AM »
Vit d is a myth it wont improve anything

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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2015, 06:53:21 AM »
Vit d is a myth it wont improve anything



Yes it will Johnny.
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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2015, 06:55:56 AM »
Lift lighter weights more times.  No magic pills needed.

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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2015, 06:58:24 AM »
What dose are you taking?



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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2015, 07:00:45 AM »
Could have to do with a highly acidic environment in your body. THE BEEF has started drinking baking soda and lemon juice in water twice a day and apple cider vinegar 1oz three times a day and in two weeks notices a big difference in everything,  including joint pain and flexibility.

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Mr. Beef,  have you tried alkaline ionized water? That can make your body more alkaline as well. There are also alkaline and acidity food charts as well.
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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2015, 01:08:51 PM »
TB-500...

Works great for joints.

Ghrp-6 or 2, as efficient as low dose hgh for joints too.

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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2015, 01:24:01 PM »
Mr. Beef,  have you tried alkaline ionized water? That can make your body more alkaline as well. There are also alkaline and acidity food charts as well.

Great idea. Do you know where THE BEEF can score alkaline water?

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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2015, 02:09:49 PM »
Add good fats and train smarter!!

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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #47 on: July 17, 2015, 02:34:11 PM »
8 hours of direct sunlight per day? wtf

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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2015, 07:02:38 AM »
So, because whites don't make vitamin D3 in the amounts we do, they need to supplement it. We can get it for free.

This is stuff, that is hidden for a host of reasons. Racism, power, control and money.

Blacks melanin does alot more than that they don't want us to know about as well.  Not announcing superiority.  I'm telling the truths they don't want blacks to know and that whites don't know.
lol.... rejected by a white woman, becomes a christian, claims jesus and god are black, then transition to full blown black supremacist...


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Re: Mid thirtys joint pain question
« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2015, 09:27:13 AM »
lol.... rejected by a white woman, becomes a christian, claims jesus and god are black, then transition to full blown black supremacist...



You're an idiot. This has nothing to do with supremacy.  This is about health. 
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