Author Topic: "Tainted Supplements" (Read 1620 times)

NickEdge779 · « **on:** October 12, 2015, 05:19:50 PM »

Most overused excuse I've ever heard for testing positive for steroids in professional sports.

Ya because nandrolone is in your whey protein. smh... can't believe people actually believe this shit

Nick Danger · « **Reply #1 on:** October 12, 2015, 05:24:21 PM »

Florida Gators quarterback Will Grier has been suspended for the year after testing positive for a performance-enhancing substance found in a supplement, coach Jim McElwain announced Monday.

wes · « **Reply #2 on:** October 12, 2015, 05:25:11 PM »

Quote from: Nick Danger on October 12, 2015, 05:24:21 PM

Florida Gators quarterback Will Grier has been suspended for the year after testing positive for a performance-enhancing substance found in a supplement, coach Jim McElwain announced Monday.

Cover up of peace

Nick Danger · « **Reply #3 on:** October 12, 2015, 05:29:38 PM »

These guys should really come up with a more original excuse...

wes · « **Reply #4 on:** October 12, 2015, 05:40:12 PM »

Quote from: Nick Danger on October 12, 2015, 05:29:38 PM

These guys should really come up with a more original excuse...

Exactly,seen it time and time again...........Test and GH were somehow two of the ingrediants in my creatine!

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #5 on:** October 12, 2015, 05:52:16 PM »

There have been many verified cases of supplements tainted with illegal drugs, including steroids.
Some supplement vendors have special sections for verified doping free supplements... those which have been tested. Olympic Athletes for example are recommended by WADA to not use any supplements at all due to the contamination problem. And if they do use supplements they have to check with their national federation first etc. Attorneys have recommended to buy extra unopened containers of whatever you are going to use in case you have a tainted product, that way you can test it if you happen to fail a test.

wes · « **Reply #6 on:** October 12, 2015, 05:57:33 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on October 12, 2015, 05:52:16 PM

There have been many verified cases of supplements tainted with illegal drugs, including steroids.
Some supplement vendors have special sections for verified doping free supplements... those which have been tested. Olympic Athletes for example are recommended by WADA to not use any supplements at all due to the contamination problem. And if they do use supplements they have to check with their national federation first etc. Attorneys have recommended to buy extra unopened containers of whatever you are going to use in case you have a tainted product, that way you can test it if you happen to fail a test.

Who would actually put expensive drugs into a protein supplement for example?

Wouldn`t they be taking a loss?

Sokolsky · « **Reply #7 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:00:33 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on October 12, 2015, 05:52:16 PM

There have been many verified cases of supplements tainted with illegal drugs, including steroids.
Some supplement vendors have special sections for verified doping free supplements... those which have been tested. Olympic Athletes for example are recommended by WADA to not use any supplements at all due to the contamination problem. And if they do use supplements they have to check with their national federation first etc. Attorneys have recommended to buy extra unopened containers of whatever you are going to use in case you have a tainted product, that way you can test it if you happen to fail a test.

It was a sad day when Bulgaria got pulled from the Olympics because of furosemide.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #8 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:02:22 PM »

Quote from: wes on October 12, 2015, 05:57:33 PM

Who would actually put expensive drugs into a protein supplement for example?

Wouldn`t they be taking a loss?

Steroids don't cost much. ALRI for example put anabolic steroids in some supposedly "herbal" test boosters. Same with Gaspari. Even put a Viagra analogue in Plasmajet which has no drugs as per the label.

Secondly, some raw material from for example China may be tainted because of poor manufacturing processes - drugs and legal supplements processed with same equipment for example. I remember a long time ago Muscletech products caused some athletes to fail drug test due to traces of "prohormones" in products with no prohormones on the label. Here in Sweden it was verified a carnitine supplement caused an athlete to fail for nandrolone metabolites - it was due to equipment used both for prohormones and the carnitine.

Check it out:

http://www.ergo-log.com/delta6methyltestosterone.html
http://www.ergo-log.com/slimmingsibutramine.html

A friend used a water pill supplement for a show called Star Caps, his coach called me in panic due to the guy cramping violently in his hotel room. Did a google search a saw it was shown contaminated (intentionally spiked) with a powerful loop diuretic similar to Lasix.

http://www.law360.com/articles/78316/starcaps-diet-pill-recalled-for-unauthorized-diuretic

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Several National Football League players who took StarCaps recently tested positive for bumetanide and are facing suspension.

MCWAY · « **Reply #9 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:06:35 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on October 12, 2015, 06:02:22 PM

Steroids don't cost much. ALRI for example put anabolic steroids in some supposedly "herbal" test boosters. Same with Gaspari. Even put a Viagra analogue in Plasmajet which has no drugs as per the label.

Secondly, some raw material from for example China may be tainted because of poor manufacturing processes - drugs and legal supplements processed with same equipment for example. I remember a long time ago Muscletech products caused some athletes to fail drug test due to traces of "prohormones" in products with no prohormones on the label.

Over two decades of supplement use, yet I've never had any anabolics "accidentally" or purposely put in any OTC product I've used.

wes · « **Reply #10 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:08:15 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on October 12, 2015, 06:02:22 PM

Steroids don't cost much. ALRI for example put anabolic steroids in some supposedly "herbal" test boosters. Same with Gaspari. Even put a Viagra analogue in Plasmajet which has no drugs as per the label.

Secondly, some raw material from for example China may be tainted because of poor manufacturing processes - drugs and legal supplements processed with same equipment for example. I remember a long time ago Muscletech products caused some athletes to fail drug test due to traces of "prohormones" in products with no prohormones on the label. Here in Sweden it was verified a carnitine supplement caused an athlete to fail for nandrolone metabolites - it was due to equipment used both for prohormones and the carnitine.

Check it out:

http://www.ergo-log.com/delta6methyltestosterone.html
http://www.ergo-log.com/slimmingsibutramine.html

Wow,I had no clue...........thanks Van.

Never1AShow · « **Reply #11 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:08:31 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on October 12, 2015, 05:52:16 PM

There have been many verified cases of supplements tainted with illegal drugs, including steroids.
Some supplement vendors have special sections for verified doping free supplements... those which have been tested. Olympic Athletes for example are recommended by WADA to not use any supplements at all due to the contamination problem. And if they do use supplements they have to check with their national federation first etc. Attorneys have recommended to buy extra unopened containers of whatever you are going to use in case you have a tainted product, that way you can test it if you happen to fail a test.

What was in Hot Stuff? Dbol, Halotestin?

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #12 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:08:44 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on October 12, 2015, 06:06:35 PM

Over two decades of supplement use, yet I've never had any anabolics "accidentally" or purposely put in any OTC product I've used.

How do you know you haven't ingested any anabolics through your supplements?

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #13 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:10:03 PM »

Quote from: Never1AShow on October 12, 2015, 06:08:31 PM

What was in Hot Stuff? Dbol, Halotestin?

This was never verified so impossible to know and all first batches are probably gone after these decades.

MCWAY · « **Reply #14 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:14:40 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on October 12, 2015, 06:08:44 PM

How do you know you haven't ingested any anabolics through your supplements?

An educated and safe guess, especially after working a job where I've been drug-tested on a regular basis.

Never1AShow · « **Reply #15 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:15:34 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on October 12, 2015, 06:14:40 PM

Just a wild guess, especially after working a job where I've been drug-tested on a regular basis.

What job do they test for roids?

MCWAY · « **Reply #16 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:17:34 PM »

Quote from: Never1AShow on October 12, 2015, 06:15:34 PM

What job do they test for roids?

I actually got tested for that 20 years ago, when I worked at Bally during summer vacation.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #17 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:20:30 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on October 12, 2015, 06:14:40 PM

Just a wild guess, especially after working a job where I've been drug-tested on a regular basis.

Well, most jobs don't test for PEDs. An athlete however, has to be more careful, especially since an anabolic steroid doesn't even have to be explicitly banned since all steroid derivatives are banned anyway. So you might even get in trouble years after when the testing org discovers a new compound used and decides to retroactively test your stored samples. Same with the designer drug stimulants in all these "pre-workouts" used nowadays, not always even listed on the label (see Craze).

MCWAY · « **Reply #18 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:23:37 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on October 12, 2015, 06:20:30 PM

Well, most jobs don't test for PEDs. An athlete however, has to be more careful, especially since an anabolic steroid doesn't even have to be explicitly banned since all steroid derivatives are banned anyway. So you might even get in trouble years after when the testing org discovers a new compound used and decides to retroactively test your stored samples. Same with the designer drug stimulants in all these "pre-workouts" used nowadays, not always even listed on the label (see Craze).

The odds of that happening are slim and none. Getting in trouble for something that wasn't illegal at the time you were tested is absurd.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #19 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:28:45 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on October 12, 2015, 06:23:37 PM

The odds of that happening are slim and none. Getting in trouble for something that wasn't illegal at the time you were tested is absurd.

You can and will get in trouble if you're a world class athlete tested by WADA. They have been explicit in explaining drug derivatives and doping methods are illegal even if not explicitly banned and they will get you even years after (I believe samples are stored for 8 years now). You can't even inject plain water over a certain volume.

Nowadays you don't even have to fail over a particular compound. You can test clean but if your blood parameters are off indicating manipulation you can be sanctioned.

Coffeed · « **Reply #20 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:31:31 PM »

Did you really think you were injecting vitamins?

Never1AShow · « **Reply #21 on:** October 12, 2015, 11:12:17 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on October 12, 2015, 06:28:45 PM

You can and will get in trouble if you're a world class athlete tested by WADA. They have been explicit in explaining drug derivatives and doping methods are illegal even if not explicitly banned and they will get you even years after (I believe samples are stored for 8 years now). You can't even inject plain water over a certain volume.

Nowadays you don't even have to fail over a particular compound. You can test clean but if your blood parameters are off indicating manipulation you can be sanctioned.

Quick have them test OHearn. Not for roids, for sanity and schmoenety.