How soon to discover the lies?

[DroppingPlates]

You don't have a theory, dingus. You have a hypothesis.

Vince is like...

[BBSSchlemiel]

Not only did I realize the lies of so many so-called natural competitors, I also became aware of various myths.

Bodybuilding myths
1) You need one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight to grow. Truth: You can grow with less and eat more carbs and fat.
2) You need to eat five to six meals per day to stoke the metabolic furnace and keep the body in an anabolic state. Truth: This does nothing to stoke the metabolic furnace, and the body does not "go catabolic" if a person is not fed for a few hours, or even a DAY!
3) Two hundred and fifty to 300 pound drug boats eat clean everyday and only reserve one meal per week for a "cheat" or dirty meal and they weight everyday's worth of food down to the last morsel and grain. Truth: Try getting to 300 pounds eating "clean" all day.
4) The best in the world use the least drugs because they have the genetics to get by with less. Truth: Yeah, sure. Those who are gunning to be the best in the world are going to leave crucial items or any edge out of the picture at all. Get the hell out of here! The best in bodybuilding or whatever are doing whatever they can to get ahead and make it to the top. Perhaps I am wrong in my thinking, but I still think Dorian and Priest are full of it with their "modest" doses, though I like both of them.
5) There's a science to lifting. Truth: Most people do the same shit with different layouts, whether it's upper-lower split, bodypart split, high volume, HIT-style, whatever. I remember the guys at Westside made it out like they were part of an elite training platoon, as if WSB was the NASA or Brookhaven Laboratory of powerlifting. Truth: The very best in powerlifting (Karwoski, Coan, Clark) had the most basic routines.
6) There's a "lifestyle". Truth: Most NPC and IFBB bodybuilders are broke and little more than guys who go to a gym, like everyone else, plus drugs.

[Yamcha]

Not only did I realize the lies of so many so-called natural competitors, I also became aware of various myths.

Bodybuilding myths
1) You need one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight to grow. Truth: You can grow with less and eat more carbs and fat.
2) You need to eat five to six meals per day to stoke the metabolic furnace and keep the body in an anabolic state. Truth: This does nothing to stoke the metabolic furnace, and the body does not "go catabolic" if a person is not fed for a few hours, or even a DAY!
3) Two hundred and fifty to 300 pound drug boats eat clean everyday and only reserve one meal per week for a "cheat" or dirty meal and they weight everyday's worth of food down to the last morsel and grain. Truth: Try getting to 300 pounds eating "clean" all day.
4) The best in the world use the least drugs because they have the genetics to get by with less. Truth: Yeah, sure. Those who are gunning to be the best in the world are going to leave crucial items or any edge out of the picture at all. Get the hell out of here! The best in bodybuilding or whatever are doing whatever they can to get ahead and make it to the top. Perhaps I am wrong in my thinking, but I still think Dorian and Priest are full of it with their "modest" doses, though I like both of them.
5) There's a science to lifting. Truth: Most people do the same shit with different layouts, whether it's upper-lower split, bodypart split, high volume, HIT-style, whatever. I remember the guys at Westside made it out like they were part of an elite training platoon, as if WSB was the NASA or Brookhaven Laboratory of powerlifting. Truth: The very best in powerlifting (Karwoski, Coan, Clark) had the most basic routines.
6) There's a "lifestyle". Truth: Most NPC and IFBB bodybuilders are broke and little more than guys who go to a gym, like everyone else, plus drugs.

You sound upset. If you wanna talk about it, pm me.

[NelsonMuntz]

Perhaps in some places, but this was far from my experience in a similar timeframe.  Kids in gyms did not automatically assume you could not get big without steroids.  They were much, much more underground than now.  We're people more naive?  Yes, absolutely

Best analogy I can think of is to homosexuality.  It was far from mainstream or on anyone's mind.  I knew plenty of people that did not know that Freddy Mercury or the Village People or George Michael or Boy George were gay.  Seriously, people watching the Wake Me Up Before You Go Go video from Wham with George Michael did not know he was gay.

[Julio Ceasar]

Im pretty often suprised by the kids in the gym age 16-25. How much they know, train serious, motivated and are against steorids.

A lot of kids are against roids, like myself when I was a teen. Thought everyone on roids was a loosers. They got a pretty negative reputation. Most kids dosent want drugs and insted, they bust their ass off to get the result! Just like me and all other kids did in their 20ies!

Roided guys get picked on in normal gyms, people dont like them! People talk shit behind their backs. They are breaking the law, they are abusers, drug addics, weak mind people, pretty much 99% of normal people dosent like them and respekt them. So they have to go to some undergorundgym and find their needle friends somewhere else!

[Yamcha]

Im pretty often suprised by the kids in the gym age 16-25. How much they know, train serious, motivated and are against steorids.

A lot of kids are against roids, like myself when I was a teen. Thought everyone on roids was a loosers. They got a pretty negative reputation. Most kids dosent want drugs and insted, they bust their ass off to get the result! Just like me and all other kids did in their 20ies!

Roided guys get picked on in normal gyms, people dont like them! People talk shit behind their backs. They are breaking the law, they are abusers, drug addics, weak mind people, pretty much 99% of normal people dosent like them and respekt them. So they have to go to some undergorundgym and find their needle friends somewhere else!

why post a picture of yourself?

[MCWAY]

You admit it yourself, "or at least suspected".  See today it is obvious, back then not so much. 

I knew Boy George was gay (who didn't?). Same with Mercury. Michael was suspect with Wham. She he went solo, he got the big makeover to detract from his suspected gayness, with supermodels in many of his videos (in "Freedom", he isn't even in it at all, just models lip-synching to his song).

And don't get me started on Frankie Goes to Hollywood.

[Never1AShow]

I knew Boy George was gay (who didn't?). Same with Mercury. Michael was suspect with Wham. She he went solo, he got the big makeover to detract from his suspected gayness, with supermodels in many of his videos (in "Freedom", he isn't even in it at all, just models lip-synching to his song).

And don't get me started on Frankie Goes to Hollywood.

Relax, don't do it ....  

[Davidtheman100]

Im pretty often suprised by the kids in the gym age 16-25. How much they know, train serious, motivated and are against steorids.

A lot of kids are against roids, like myself when I was a teen. Thought everyone on roids was a loosers. They got a pretty negative reputation. Most kids dosent want drugs and insted, they bust their ass off to get the result! Just like me and all other kids did in their 20ies!

Roided guys get picked on in normal gyms, people dont like them! People talk shit behind their backs. They are breaking the law, they are abusers, drug addics, weak mind people, pretty much 99% of normal people dosent like them and respekt them. So they have to go to some undergorundgym and find their needle friends somewhere else!

lol what the fuck are you talking about, gyms like planet fitness? Ya sure everyone makes fun of the road users while they eat their pizza on their way out of their workout and them trying to get abs but doing ab circuit with jelly rolls on their stomach...They all wish they were us...When you have a half decent looking 20 something male with ripped, lean 18 inch arms and spider veins everywhere and round delts with striations wearing a tank top and doing his workouts, keeping to himself...You better believe EVERYONE and their MAMA is looking at him in awe..They wanna be him and they WILL ask him what his workout is...They'll ask him what he eats, what type of workout he does, why he looks like that...They will all RISK THEIR LIVES to look like him...I'm willing to bet you they'd do anything when they see all the women catching themselves looking at him and then he notices but doesn't look back...ANd girls try to keep bending over to get his attention and do outrageous things....


No woman is going to prefer a 23 year old natural that looks like a twig with a shirt on doing a serious workout over a shredded 23 year told that's 5'11" 200 lbs doing the same workouts...Aesthetic and lean but MUSCULAR is the name of the game...If you have those three everyone is at your fingertips...Everyone tells you that you look good while you do bicep curls..People watch you work out and you see them doing the same shit 5 minutes later...You don't know any of what you're talking about...You're putting in hard work and eating clean food forever for MINIMAL results...You're the one on the short edge of the stick here fella

[MCWAY]

Not only did I realize the lies of so many so-called natural competitors, I also became aware of various myths.

Bodybuilding myths
1) You need one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight to grow. Truth: You can grow with less and eat more carbs and fat.
2) You need to eat five to six meals per day to stoke the metabolic furnace and keep the body in an anabolic state. Truth: This does nothing to stoke the metabolic furnace, and the body does not "go catabolic" if a person is not fed for a few hours, or even a DAY!
3) Two hundred and fifty to 300 pound drug boats eat clean everyday and only reserve one meal per week for a "cheat" or dirty meal and they weight everyday's worth of food down to the last morsel and grain. Truth: Try getting to 300 pounds eating "clean" all day.
4) The best in the world use the least drugs because they have the genetics to get by with less. Truth: Yeah, sure. Those who are gunning to be the best in the world are going to leave crucial items or any edge out of the picture at all. Get the hell out of here! The best in bodybuilding or whatever are doing whatever they can to get ahead and make it to the top. Perhaps I am wrong in my thinking, but I still think Dorian and Priest are full of it with their "modest" doses, though I like both of them.
5) There's a science to lifting. Truth: Most people do the same shit with different layouts, whether it's upper-lower split, bodypart split, high volume, HIT-style, whatever. I remember the guys at Westside made it out like they were part of an elite training platoon, as if WSB was the NASA or Brookhaven Laboratory of powerlifting. Truth: The very best in powerlifting (Karwoski, Coan, Clark) had the most basic routines.
6) There's a "lifestyle". Truth: Most NPC and IFBB bodybuilders are broke and little more than guys who go to a gym, like everyone else, plus drugs.

1) That's not a myth or gospel. It's a guideline, a starting point. You use it for a while. If you need more protein, you go up; if you need less, you go down.

2) You try eating 4000-5000 calories in just three meals, especially if you're skinny.

3) Some do; some don't. Jay Cutler was known for weighing nearly everything he ate to the ounce. Branch Warren did that earlier in his career. Now he wings it, more or less.

4) Again, some do; some don't. Those that go nuts tend to burn out.

5) The science is empirical, aka trial and error. There are multiple body types and metabolisms. So what turns one guy into a suckling pig might put muscle on another guy. Training to failure might keep one guy perpetually sore but help another guy make great gains.

6) Or most have regular jobs. Ronnie was a cop for most of his bodybuilding career, including three of his Olympia wins.

[BBSSchlemiel]

Fair points. And I was generalizing.

I still don't think Ronnie did all his regular police work during his preps for the Olympia. Like, seriously don't believe it.

[jdooly]

I had no issue with all the lies until I (idiotically) decided to compete.
Training became a chore.
The diet was awful.
Hours of cardio were boring.
And the whole "lifestyle" and "experience" wasn't worth the torture to my body and relationships around me.

I did get fucking shredded though.

  LOL!  solid reply.

[BBSSchlemiel]

2) You try eating 4000-5000 calories in just three meals, especially if you're skinny.

I eat near 4000 daily with three meals and a snack.

6) Or most have regular jobs. Ronnie was a cop for most of his bodybuilding career, including three of his Olympia wins.

How many don't have regular jobs? I believe many don't.

[drmarkp]

Not only did I realize the lies of so many so-called natural competitors, I also became aware of various myths.

Bodybuilding myths
1) You need one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight to grow. Truth: You can grow with less and eat more carbs and fat.
2) You need to eat five to six meals per day to stoke the metabolic furnace and keep the body in an anabolic state. Truth: This does nothing to stoke the metabolic furnace, and the body does not "go catabolic" if a person is not fed for a few hours, or even a DAY!
3) Two hundred and fifty to 300 pound drug boats eat clean everyday and only reserve one meal per week for a "cheat" or dirty meal and they weight everyday's worth of food down to the last morsel and grain. Truth: Try getting to 300 pounds eating "clean" all day.
4) The best in the world use the least drugs because they have the genetics to get by with less. Truth: Yeah, sure. Those who are gunning to be the best in the world are going to leave crucial items or any edge out of the picture at all. Get the hell out of here! The best in bodybuilding or whatever are doing whatever they can to get ahead and make it to the top. Perhaps I am wrong in my thinking, but I still think Dorian and Priest are full of it with their "modest" doses, though I like both of them.
5) There's a science to lifting. Truth: Most people do the same shit with different layouts, whether it's upper-lower split, bodypart split, high volume, HIT-style, whatever. I remember the guys at Westside made it out like they were part of an elite training platoon, as if WSB was the NASA or Brookhaven Laboratory of powerlifting. Truth: The very best in powerlifting (Karwoski, Coan, Clark) had the most basic routines.
6) There's a "lifestyle". Truth: Most NPC and IFBB bodybuilders are broke and little more than guys who go to a gym, like everyone else, plus drugs.

Brutal truth..

[Never1AShow]

I can recall Titus on a TV show claiming pro bodybuilding was tested "just like in the Olympics."

[oldtimer1]

I learned early in the late 70's and early 80's the big secret. I just saw gym zeros go to heroes in nothing flat taking steroids. Back then the secret wasn't as well known among non lifters as it is now. Now I see roided up guys on the boardwalk by the beach and people making fun of them talking about steroids.

[lilhawk1]

Im pretty often suprised by the kids in the gym age 16-25. How much they know, train serious, motivated and are against steorids.

A lot of kids are against roids, like myself when I was a teen. Thought everyone on roids was a loosers. They got a pretty negative reputation. Most kids dosent want drugs and insted, they bust their ass off to get the result! Just like me and all other kids did in their 20ies!

Roided guys get picked on in normal gyms, people dont like them! People talk shit behind their backs. They are breaking the law, they are abusers, drug addics, weak mind people, pretty much 99% of normal people dosent like them and respekt them. So they have to go to some undergorundgym and find their needle friends somewhere else!

You're an absolute idiot.  More people are on the gas now than ever, and this includes high schools kids that you claim are so against it.  Why did you post that pic?  You have no muscle, even for a natural.

[Never1AShow]

Give him a break, there aren't many shots on the Internet of a praying mantis from behind.

[dj181]

Not only did I realize the lies of so many so-called natural competitors, I also became aware of various myths.

Bodybuilding myths
1) You need one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight to grow. Truth: You can grow with less and eat more carbs and fat.
2) You need to eat five to six meals per day to stoke the metabolic furnace and keep the body in an anabolic state. Truth: This does nothing to stoke the metabolic furnace, and the body does not "go catabolic" if a person is not fed for a few hours, or even a DAY!
3) Two hundred and fifty to 300 pound drug boats eat clean everyday and only reserve one meal per week for a "cheat" or dirty meal and they weight everyday's worth of food down to the last morsel and grain. Truth: Try getting to 300 pounds eating "clean" all day.
4) The best in the world use the least drugs because they have the genetics to get by with less. Truth: Yeah, sure. Those who are gunning to be the best in the world are going to leave crucial items or any edge out of the picture at all. Get the hell out of here! The best in bodybuilding or whatever are doing whatever they can to get ahead and make it to the top. Perhaps I am wrong in my thinking, but I still think Dorian and Priest are full of it with their "modest" doses, though I like both of them.
5) There's a science to lifting. Truth: Most people do the same shit with different layouts, whether it's upper-lower split, bodypart split, high volume, HIT-style, whatever. I remember the guys at Westside made it out like they were part of an elite training platoon, as if WSB was the NASA or Brookhaven Laboratory of powerlifting. Truth: The very best in powerlifting (Karwoski, Coan, Clark) had the most basic routines.
6) There's a "lifestyle". Truth: Most NPC and IFBB bodybuilders are broke and little more than guys who go to a gym, like everyone else, plus drugs.

great post

the only point i don't completely agree with is point 4, otherwise the rest of your points are spot fucking on bro

[Never1AShow]

great post

the only point i don't completely agree with is point 4, otherwise the rest of your points are spot fucking on bro

Wait, do you agree with his disagreeing with these myths or do you agree with the myths?

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

Not only did I realize the lies of so many so-called natural competitors, I also became aware of various myths.

Bodybuilding myths
1) You need one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight to grow. Truth: You can grow with less and eat more carbs and fat.
2) You need to eat five to six meals per day to stoke the metabolic furnace and keep the body in an anabolic state. Truth: This does nothing to stoke the metabolic furnace, and the body does not "go catabolic" if a person is not fed for a few hours, or even a DAY!
3) Two hundred and fifty to 300 pound drug boats eat clean everyday and only reserve one meal per week for a "cheat" or dirty meal and they weight everyday's worth of food down to the last morsel and grain. Truth: Try getting to 300 pounds eating "clean" all day.
4) The best in the world use the least drugs because they have the genetics to get by with less. Truth: Yeah, sure. Those who are gunning to be the best in the world are going to leave crucial items or any edge out of the picture at all. Get the hell out of here! The best in bodybuilding or whatever are doing whatever they can to get ahead and make it to the top. Perhaps I am wrong in my thinking, but I still think Dorian and Priest are full of it with their "modest" doses, though I like both of them.
5) There's a science to lifting. Truth: Most people do the same shit with different layouts, whether it's upper-lower split, bodypart split, high volume, HIT-style, whatever. I remember the guys at Westside made it out like they were part of an elite training platoon, as if WSB was the NASA or Brookhaven Laboratory of powerlifting. Truth: The very best in powerlifting (Karwoski, Coan, Clark) had the most basic routines.
6) There's a "lifestyle". Truth: Most NPC and IFBB bodybuilders are broke and little more than guys who go to a gym, like everyone else, plus drugs.

Good post, mane.