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Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« on: November 09, 2015, 06:20:25 PM »
Krugman: Why Is White America Killing Itself?

"There is a darkness spreading over part of our society. And we don’t really understand why."
By AlterNet Staff / AlterNet November 9, 2015


Today, Paul Krugman digs into a new disturbing trend in the American social landscape, recently announced in a new paper by two economists, "showing that mortality among middle-aged white Americans has been rising since 1999." Krugman writes:

Even more striking are the proximate causes of rising mortality.Basically, white Americans are, in increasing numbers, killing themselves, directly or indirectly. Suicide is way up, and so are deaths from drug poisoning and the chronic liver disease that excessive drinking can cause. We’ve seen this kind of thing in other times and places – for example, in the plunging life expectancy that afflicted Russia after the fall of Communism. But it’s a shock to see it, even in an attenuated form, in America.

The op-ed gets more interesting when Krugman gets into the why, which is certain to made right-wing heads explode!

So what is going on? In a recent interview Mr. Deaton suggested that middle-aged whites have “lost the narrative of their lives.” That is, their economic setbacks have hit hard because they expected better. Or to put it a bit differently, we’re looking at people who were raised to believe in the American Dream, and are coping badly with its failure to come true.

That sounds like a plausible hypothesis to me, but the truth is that we don’t really know why despair appears to be spreading across Middle America. But it clearly is, with troubling consequences for our society as a whole.

In particular, I know I’m not the only observer who sees a link between the despair reflected in those mortality numbers and the volatility of right-wing politics. Some people who feel left behind by the American story turn self-destructive; others turn on the elites they feel have betrayed them. No, deporting immigrants and wearing baseball caps bearing slogans won’t solve their problems, but neither will cutting taxes on capital gains. So you can understand why some voters have rallied around politicians who at least seem to feel their pain.

At this point you probably expect me to offer a solution. But while universal health care, higher minimum wages, aid to education, and so on would do a lot to help Americans in trouble, I’m not sure whether they’re enough to cure existential despair.

A fairly brave piece of analysis for the often milquetoast New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/09/opinion/despair-american-style.html

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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2015, 06:36:05 PM »
Most of them are overweight and obese, death and obesity usually go hand in hand.

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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2015, 06:37:13 PM »
because we're done here.  good luck y'all!   :-*

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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2015, 06:40:20 PM »
While a nobel prize winner, it is for economics. Not a real science. Krugman has a pro left/anti right agenda and will never repent past failures. He said the tech revolution was bollox and that FB, Google etc were flash in the pan companies. That was in 05 I think. In 2015 he sill says the same shit which shows that while intelligent he is a stubborn fuck and cannot admit when he is wrong.


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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2015, 06:41:09 PM »
was waitig for this subject to pop up...I would imagine this demographic is well represented on the boards, a few fellas come to mind but won't name any names  8)
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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2015, 06:43:07 PM »
was waitig for this subject to pop up...I would imagine this demographic is well represented on the boards, a few fellas come to mind but won't name any names  8)

El Diablo Blanco isn't white, is poor slum dwelling Colombian. 

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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2015, 06:46:48 PM »
While a nobel prize winner, it is for economics. Not a real science. Krugman has a pro left/anti right agenda and will never repent past failures. He said the tech revolution was bollox and that FB, Google etc were flash in the pan companies. That was in 05 I think. In 2015 he sill says the same shit which shows that while intelligent he is a stubborn fuck and cannot admit when he is wrong.



actually he's one of the few guys that got it right and tells the truth about the crazed neo liberal economic policy...but whatever keep doing what you're doing and hope for the best.  ::)
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2015, 06:52:57 PM »
actually he's one of the few guys that got it right and tells the truth about the crazed neo liberal economic policy...but whatever keep doing what you're doing and hope for the best.  ::)

Got what right? Please expand.

Did he get the tech revolution right cos i could quite quickly take a photo of quote where he said such industries were bullshit and he has been completely wrong. I did not say everything he has said is wrong. He has an agenda though, and it distorts his outlook on his subject.

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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2015, 06:53:52 PM »
We are looking at these thousand years or so that whites have shaped our society as an eternity, when in reality it is just the blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things. Just like the Egyptians ruled thousands of years ago, people will evolve and new races will emerge and we will keep on going. You can either get mad and grab some guns and kill a bunch of folks, or just enjoy your time here and do the best for you and your family in your time here. No need to hate on people for something arbitrary like color. Hopefully one day we all buy into this. Sadly, we won't and will continue to repeat the cycle.

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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2015, 06:55:52 PM »
Baby Boomer ethics---selfishness, acting in a child like manner, expecting to be able to everything with no consequences,  and then get mad when it all goes down hill by their own hand.

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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2015, 07:04:36 PM »
* The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in "Metcalfe's law"–which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants–becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet's impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine's.
* As the rate of technological change in computing slows, the number of jobs for IT specialists will decelerate, then actually turn down; ten years from now, the phrase information economy will sound silly.
- See more at: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2010/12/paul-krugmans-predictions.html#sthash.7djcp4Md.dpuf

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2010/12/paul-krugmans-predictions.html

He is an economist, not a clairvoyant. Nor or are his pronouncements on current events unbiased or infallible.

By the way, what I am doing works for me. I know there are flaws in neo-liberal economics but it will take a massive shift to change to a model that doesn't rely on constant future growth. Meanwhile China has removed the one child policy and Africa's population will multiply probably two fold in the next twenty to thirty years. I'm sure there is no room for growth there.

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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2015, 07:17:12 PM »
Got what right? Please expand.

Did he get the tech revolution right cos i could quite quickly take a photo of quote where he said such industries were bullshit and he has been completely wrong. I did not say everything he has said is wrong. He has an agenda though, and it distorts his outlook on his subject.

what agenda is that?

In August 2005, after Alan Greenspan expressed concern over housing markets, Krugman criticized Greenspan's earlier reluctance to regulate the mortgage and related financial markets, arguing that "[he's] like a man who suggests leaving the barn door ajar, and then – after the horse is gone – delivers a lecture on the importance of keeping your animals properly locked up."[137] Krugman has repeatedly expressed his view that Greenspan and Phil Gramm are the two individuals most responsible for causing the subprime crisis. Krugman points to Greenspan and Gramm for the key roles they played in keeping derivatives, financial markets, and investment banks unregulated, and to the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed Great Depression era safeguards that prevented commercial banks, investment banks and insurance companies from merging.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman

he's was right, and continues to tell the truth but if you're not interested don't read it.

not aware of this error about the tech sector but feel free to cite it...
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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2015, 07:18:47 PM »
We are looking at these thousand years or so that whites have shaped our society as an eternity, when in reality it is just the blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things. Just like the Egyptians ruled thousands of years ago, people will evolve and new races will emerge and we will keep on going. You can either get mad and grab some guns and kill a bunch of folks, or just enjoy your time here and do the best for you and your family in your time here. No need to hate on people for something arbitrary like color. Hopefully one day we all buy into this. Sadly, we won't and will continue to repeat the cycle.
Its what humans do, wash repeat, wash repeat.
And each new generation thinks that it is different, and will shape it's world and will stop the cycle. Only thing is, today's media is probably far more insidious, and has actually made people think that we were living in a "post racial society" (please), and then when the  Trayvon Martin incident, followed by the protest  for Mike Brown happened, people were "surprised" that this "post racial society" doesn't exist.

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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2015, 07:23:07 PM »
what agenda is that?

In August 2005, after Alan Greenspan expressed concern over housing markets, Krugman criticized Greenspan's earlier reluctance to regulate the mortgage and related financial markets, arguing that "[he's] like a man who suggests leaving the barn door ajar, and then – after the horse is gone – delivers a lecture on the importance of keeping your animals properly locked up."[137] Krugman has repeatedly expressed his view that Greenspan and Phil Gramm are the two individuals most responsible for causing the subprime crisis. Krugman points to Greenspan and Gramm for the key roles they played in keeping derivatives, financial markets, and investment banks unregulated, and to the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed Great Depression era safeguards that prevented commercial banks, investment banks and insurance companies from merging.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman

he's was right, and continues to tell the truth but if you're not interested don't read it.

not aware of this error about the tech sector but feel free to cite it...

I did just fucking cite it. Direct quote from him in my post. Like I said, he was right about certain things, same as hundreds of other economists and masses of common people could see there was a property boom. FDI in Irish commercial property stopped in 2005, well before Lehman's collapsed. He is not a psychic, he does not know everything, he might have got some predictions right (as have many people) but got others wrong too. You cannot predict markets or there would be a select group of billionaires doling out advice.

When you say he "tells the truth" he tells his agenda. Maybe I only see the biased articles he writes for the Irish Times but he loves the Democrats and hates the Republicans and will defend the former and stigmatise the latter no matter what, and that should be irrelevant if economics is a science... which it is not.



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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2015, 07:29:09 PM »
* The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in "Metcalfe's law"–which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants–becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet's impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine's.
* As the rate of technological change in computing slows, the number of jobs for IT specialists will decelerate, then actually turn down; ten years from now, the phrase information economy will sound silly.
- See more at: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2010/12/paul-krugmans-predictions.html#sthash.7djcp4Md.dpuf

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2010/12/paul-krugmans-predictions.html

He is an economist, not a clairvoyant. Nor or are his pronouncements on current events unbiased or infallible.

By the way, what I am doing works for me. I know there are flaws in neo-liberal economics but it will take a massive shift to change to a model that doesn't rely on constant future growth. Meanwhile China has removed the one child policy and Africa's population will multiply probably two fold in the next twenty to thirty years. I'm sure there is no room for growth there.

I'm not really clear on how he's been wrong, all I see are his quotes with no argument or material disproving them. the author states that there's been no job growth in that sector for a decade...hmm... Do facts matter?
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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2015, 07:35:55 PM »
I did just fucking cite it. Direct quote from him in my post. Like I said, he was right about certain things, same as hundreds of other economists and masses of common people could see there was a property boom. FDI in Irish commercial property stopped in 2005, well before Lehman's collapsed. He is not a psychic, he does not know everything, he might have got some predictions right (as have many people) but got others wrong too. You cannot predict markets or there would be a select group of billionaires doling out advice.

When you say he "tells the truth" he tells his agenda. Maybe I only see the biased articles he writes for the Irish Times but he loves the Democrats and hates the Republicans and will defend the former and stigmatise the latter no matter what, and that should be irrelevant if economics is a science... which it is not.


I dunno what else to say. you can say the nobel committee is biased too but they gave him an award. I seriously doubt he loves democrats and hates republicans. go ahead and show us the evidence. facts matter right?

Are you aware the republicans tried to bankrupt the US government? Do you consider that good policy? Or is that just Liberal bias?
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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2015, 10:12:20 PM »
You want to know why? Because God is bringing judgment on America and its people. I told these pink booty heathens that they were going to have to pay for the sins of their forefathers. It's in the Bible. They ain't seen nothin yet...You better hope you have not done any Israelite wrong that didn't legit deserve it.

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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2015, 10:35:16 PM »
What a shock that his explanation is that it's because of conservatism.   ::)

Fuck this stupid kunt rag.  Dumber than a bag of rubber cocks.

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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2015, 11:01:07 PM »
The Pyramid Scheme is no longer trying to be hidden by the tribe/s who run it...Middle class white men are tapping out because they see the writing on the wall. They don't have the unrelenting hunger for material objects and wealth that these tribe/s possess...The "keeping up with the Jones's" was really called "keeping up the Goldsteins". Which is impossible to do because the Goldstein's don't have a shutoff switch. Poor Hispanics who recently moved into first class countries believe there's still Gold buried in the Hills. They have enthusiasm and hope. And even though some of them may know about the Pyramid Scheme in front of them, they don't care because they're better off now than they or their fathers ever were. But they too will find out what it's all about in the not to near future...



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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2015, 11:17:48 PM »
uberman *might* have something to say on this subject

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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2015, 12:39:09 AM »
Stopped reading after "Krugman" and "nytimes".

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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2015, 01:11:14 AM »
Stopped reading.  after "Krugman" and "nytimes".

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Re: Why Is White America Killing Itself?
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2015, 02:13:35 AM »
uberman *might* have something to say on this subject

He hasn't posted for a few months. I hope he's okay. I miss his morbid (but fascinating) views on humanity and Darwinism.