Author Topic: If Dexter Jackson won the 2016 Olympia? (Read 2437 times)

old-school-lifter · « **on:** January 17, 2016, 05:59:12 PM »

would this put him as the 3rd best ever after Ronnie and Haney?

Redux · « **Reply #1 on:** January 17, 2016, 06:02:50 PM »

Dorian would have something to say about that.

ritch · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2016, 06:06:49 PM »

I could see Dex winning this year!
He is so complete asides calves.

Kai's shape will keep him out of top 3, it's just not pleasant to look at and the mega mass era is over for now it seems.

Parker · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2016, 06:16:43 PM »

Quote from: Redux on January 17, 2016, 06:02:50 PM

Dorian would have something to say about that.

It would theoretically make Dex a two time Mr. O at 47 hrs old, but a 5 time Arnold Classic winner, and he competed in the era of three Mr. Os---Ronnie, Jay, Phil. This can be looked at many ways. That he has longevity, or that the eras of Jay and Phil were not that dominant, especially for him to beat Jay and if he were to win in 2016, to beat Phil.

Redux · « **Reply #4 on:** January 17, 2016, 06:41:19 PM »

Quote from: Parker on January 17, 2016, 06:16:43 PM

It would theoretically make Dex a two time Mr. O at 47 hrs old, but a 5 time Arnold Classic winner, and he competed in the era of three Mr. Os---Ronnie, Jay, Phil. This can be looked at many ways. That he has longevity, or that the eras of Jay and Phil were not that dominant, especially for him to beat Jay and if he were to win in 2016, to beat Phil.

I hear what you're saying, I really do, but when you look at who Dorian beat to win 6 Olympias in a row (a couple controversial, yes) that trumps anything Dexter is going to be able to accomplish. And Dorian came damn close to beating Haney when he was at his best. Dorian's 93 form and win alone is always going to keep him ahead of guys like Jay, Dexter, Phil. He changed the sport and set a benchmark at that show. We can argue if he changed it for the worse all day, but he did in fact change it. And if Dorian would have competed at the Arnold back then, there's little doubt he would have won that too. I'm a huge fan of Dexter, but beating Jay (the most overrated bodybuilder ever in my opinion) and the 5 Arnold wins still don't really pose a threat to where Dorian belongs in the rankings. Even if he were to beat Phil and Kai for another Olympia. Branch has two Arnolds and a least a couple of seconds in the Olympia and I wouldn't place him in the top 50 bodybuilders of all time. The crop competing today is pretty pathetic honestly.

Parker · « **Reply #5 on:** January 17, 2016, 06:57:41 PM »

Quote from: Redux on January 17, 2016, 06:41:19 PM

I hear what you're saying, I really do, but when you look at who Dorian beat to win 6 Olympias in a row (a couple controversial, yes) that trumps anything Dexter is going to be able to accomplish. And Dorian came damn close to beating Haney when he was at his best. Dorian's 93 form and win alone is always going to keep him ahead of guys like Jay, Dexter, Phil. He changed the sport and set a benchmark at that show. We can argue if he changed it for the worse all day, but he did in fact change it. And if Dorian would have competed at the Arnold back then, there's little doubt he would have won that too. I'm a huge fan of Dexter, but beating Jay (the most overrated bodybuilder ever in my opinion) and the 5 Arnold wins still don't really pose a threat to where Dorian belongs in the rankings. Even if he were to beat Phil and Kai for another Olympia. Branch has two Arnolds and a least a couple of seconds in the Olympia and I wouldn't place him in the top 50 bodybuilders of all time. The crop competing today is pretty pathetic honestly.

Yep, Dorian did change the sport. He ruined it.

ritch · « **Reply #6 on:** January 17, 2016, 07:06:27 PM »

Quote from: Parker on January 17, 2016, 06:57:41 PM

Yep, Dorian did change the sport. He ruined it.

Haha, true!
Before him the physiques we all liked best were competing...

Azure · « **Reply #7 on:** January 17, 2016, 07:14:28 PM »

Quote from: Parker on January 17, 2016, 06:57:41 PM

Yep, Dorian did change the sport. He ruined it.

I thought it was downhill after Dorian for sure but I thought the nail in the coffin was jay cutler.

I think that barring a mental meltdown or just complete unresponsive prep that phil has one more win in him and even then I think this year there could be a chance that he loses this one. Mainly because if I know anything about the human body is that you can only pull a rabbit out of the hat so many times before the body just won't have it.

He looked bad at the prejudging and apparently he barely won this year in a weaker line up. I think guys know they can beat him and that will bring a whole new level this year. I think the one to do it will be Shawn Rhoden and not dexter

old-school-lifter · « **Reply #8 on:** January 17, 2016, 07:18:09 PM »

I really think Kai beat phil 2012-14
go and wathc the videos and analyse pics
Kai is killing Phil from the back especially and wins all the FLS , FDB and side chest and MM

Phil continues to deteriorate
2015 he smaller, looked softer and many thought Dexter was the winner

38-26-40 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 17, 2016, 08:00:02 PM »

Would be awesome

calfzilla · « **Reply #10 on:** January 17, 2016, 08:08:50 PM »

Dexter is great but he's an aesthetics guy. The Olympia has always been about the mass monsters and always will.

Tha Grim Lifter · « **Reply #11 on:** January 18, 2016, 04:20:06 AM »

Prejudging last year proved Heath will win again no matter what

OB1 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 18, 2016, 04:24:51 AM »

Quote from: Tha Grim Lifter on January 18, 2016, 04:20:06 AM

Prejudging last year proved Heath will win again no matter what

I think so, too.
Philsulina will win again.

da_vinci · « **Reply #13 on:** January 18, 2016, 04:40:27 AM »

Phil will still be winning it twenty years from now, just accept this reality as it is. THE GIFT, WOOOOOSH

Coffeed · « **Reply #14 on:** January 18, 2016, 05:18:12 AM »

Not with Levrone announcing his comeback!

Grape Ape · « **Reply #15 on:** January 18, 2016, 05:25:15 AM »

Quote from: ritch on January 17, 2016, 07:06:27 PM

Haha, true!
Before him the physiques we all liked best were competing...

I think they still competed during his reign and after too.

Yates didn't ruin anything - wasn't a synthol freak, didn't look soft, competed in shape. He dominated the most competitive era.

Papper · « **Reply #16 on:** January 18, 2016, 07:21:46 AM »

Quote from: Coffeed on January 18, 2016, 05:18:12 AM

Not with Levrone announcing his comeback!

Exactly, he's a force. Announcing it any minute now

LurkerNoMore · « **Reply #17 on:** January 18, 2016, 07:45:30 AM »

Quote from: Coffeed on January 18, 2016, 05:18:12 AM

Not with Levrone announcing his comeback!

At his prime he would have wiped the floor with anyone competing today.

falco · « **Reply #18 on:** January 18, 2016, 08:06:33 AM »

Will the judjes transfer the Gift from cheath to Dexter?

ritch · « **Reply #19 on:** January 18, 2016, 08:25:39 AM »

Quote from: Grape Ape on January 18, 2016, 05:25:15 AM

I think they still competed during his reign and after too.

Yates didn't ruin anything - wasn't a synthol freak, didn't look soft, competed in shape. He dominated the most competitive era.

A Mr O with no biceps just does not "fit"
His body was ugly too. Never a huge fan of him, but loved his determination and focus.

Ronnie Rep · « **Reply #20 on:** January 18, 2016, 08:40:57 AM »

Hope it happens. Phil ain't getting any better.