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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2016, 03:01:55 PM »
They were very dirty astronauts.

So dirty, in fact, that they were still washing up on shore a week later.

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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2016, 03:47:47 PM »
I thought they were blown apart and died instantly. If they were alive while falling back to earth, if must have been terrifying for them.

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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2016, 03:52:05 PM »
We were watching it in the breakroom at work (my 1st real corporate job, age 19).. Sort of stunning to see it live.

I was more horrified over Phil Lynott's death (Thin Lizzy) right around the same time frame...

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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2016, 03:56:04 PM »
I thought they were blown apart and died instantly. If they were alive while falling back to earth, if must have been terrifying for them.


No, the shuttle was intact.  Evidence showed that the pilot and 2 others was still alive and it was clear that he fought in vain to reactivate systems all the way to the bitter end.  Power was knocked out when it exploded so only emergency oxygen was available which didn't do much good as depressurization knocked out the rest of them instantly.      
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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2016, 04:02:00 PM »
That was the one that Richard Feynman was tasked to figure out what went wrong, wasn't it? Was supposedly due to an O-ring being unable to seal properly, i think.

Hard to function with a busted o-ring.  Just ask all my ex-girlfriends.

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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2016, 04:03:26 PM »
The way that article reads I was waiting for them to drop the bombshell that Hitler was, in fact, still alive as well.

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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2016, 04:25:35 PM »
All you need to watch right here...


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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2016, 04:42:03 PM »
We should also remember Roger Boisjoly; maybe things would've been different if his voice was not ignored.

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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2016, 06:46:28 AM »
Horrible. I remember well the day.

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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2016, 07:20:28 AM »
I saw it happen. Was standing outside in Ft. Lauderdale at work watching it. Will never forget that.

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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2016, 10:50:36 AM »
"The total cost of the Navy search mission was $13.1 million— the street-value of a duffle bag of cocaine retrieved by Navy sailors during the operation.:o

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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2016, 11:44:21 AM »
That was the one that Richard Feynman was tasked to figure out what went wrong, wasn't it? Was supposedly due to an O-ring being unable to seal properly, i think.

I can't remember in which of his books about how amazingly clever he is the story appears but during a debate about whether or not o rings lost pliancy in freezing temperatures, with all sorts of data being presented, it occurred to him to dunk one into the ice water on the conference room table and then snap it right there in front of everyone to gasps of amazement, which served to enshrine him in history's hall of fame with the greatest I told you so moment of all time.  I confess that I always had my doubts about that tale since I've never seen a piece of rubber approach brittle in cold temps, so maybe it was something other than rubber, but trying to snap one without dunking it in ice water would be a nifty control.  And I've never seen an o ring used in an application where it has to flex back and forth without cracking since their job is to sit still while being a little bit squashed and maintain a seal while not being extruded out under whatever pressure is leaning on it, but then no one has ever seen fit to seat me at a conference table that has ice water on it either, so what the fuck do I know.

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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2016, 12:03:30 PM »
I can't remember in which of his books about how amazingly clever he is the story appears but during a debate about whether or not o rings lost pliancy in freezing temperatures, with all sorts of data being presented, it occurred to him to dunk one into the ice water on the conference room table and then snap it right there in front of everyone to gasps of amazement, which served to enshrine him in history's hall of fame with the greatest I told you so moment of all time.  I confess that I always had my doubts about that tale since I've never seen a piece of rubber approach brittle in cold temps, so maybe it was something other than rubber, but trying to snap one without dunking it in ice water would be a nifty control.  And I've never seen an o ring used in an application where it has to flex back and forth without cracking since their job is to sit still while being a little bit squashed and maintain a seal while not being extruded out under whatever pressure is leaning on it, but then no one has ever seen fit to seat me at a conference table that has ice water on it either, so what the fuck do I know.

I think it didn't break, it was the fact that at that temperature it could not expand to the intended size.


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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2016, 12:05:31 PM »
Guess that's why I don't get invited to these shindigs.

And yet... what application needs an o ring to rebound fast to its relaxed dimension?  What material rebounds instantly at any temperature?


Someone get that geek in here.  I got a few minutes spare to solve the Challenger crash for him.

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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2016, 12:23:00 PM »
The lofty, memorable President Reagan speech lends one to think they were instantly killed upon explosion.
I suspect a couple stayed alive until they hit the ground and the others died quickly  from the blast shock.


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"The discovery of the crew compartment in March was a turning point in the investigation of the accident. A sweep of the cabin illuminated disheartening evidence of the fate of the crew: the emergency oxygen packs had been activated, indicating a high probability that the astronauts survived the apparent explosion and only perished after contact with the Atlantic Ocean. In fact, the commission would later determine, there had been no explosion at all; the shuttle broke up because of aerodynamic loads following a conflagration of gases liberated by the shuttle’s external tank.

On July 28, 1986, Rear Admiral Richard H. Truly, NASA’s Associate Administrator for Space Flight, released a report from Joseph P. Kerwin, a biomedical specialist from Houston’s Johnson Space Center commissioned to find the cause of death for the seven astronauts. Kerwin explained that each crew member’s helmet was connected to an emergency pack of oxygen called a personal egress air pack, or PEAP, which must be manually activated. Four PEAPs were recovered, he wrote, and three had been activated.

The report, which concluded that the cause of death was indeterminable, indicated that the mid-air breakup forces were “probably not sufficient to cause death or serious injury” but that the crew “possibly, but not certainly, lost consciousness.” It also revealed that the estimated time of free-fall for the seven astronauts before their impact with the ocean was two minutes and forty-five seconds: a horrifying number to those who invested hope in a quick and painless death for the crew. And maybe it was: the compartment slammed into the ocean at a skull-cracking 207 miles per hour, an impact that would kill any human instantly. Speculators to this day go back and forth about whether the crew was conscious during the free-fall, but no conclusive evidence has ever been found."

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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2016, 12:30:51 PM »
Hard to function with a busted o-ring.  Just ask all my ex-girlfriends.

classic getbig response right there.

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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2016, 02:38:57 PM »
it is well said that Space flight will never be Routine.......as more private companies are competing to make space flight standard, the Big Danger will ever be present.....we  expect more spectacular explosions....that's just the nature of the beast


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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2016, 07:05:17 PM »
Whole thing was a cover up attack by the failing USSR.  Christ, you really falling for that cover story?

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Re: 30 Yrs Ago, Challenger Crew Plunged Alive To Their Deaths
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2016, 08:42:30 PM »

No, the shuttle was intact.  Evidence showed that the pilot and 2 others was still alive and it was clear that he fought in vain to reactivate systems all the way to the bitter end.  Power was knocked out when it exploded so only emergency oxygen was available which didn't do much good as depressurization knocked out the rest of them instantly.      

Shuttle didn't "explode" - aerodynamic forces broke the shuttle apart due to right SRB impinging ET (external tank).

Crew compartment survived initial break up of shuttle as it was strongest part of shuttle.

Right SRB didn't explode during initial launch as was expected by Morton Thiokol Engineers as the O-Ring at launch SEALED itself due to SRB fuel/oxidizers.

Challenger COULD have made it to orbit if it wasn't for the highest recorded wind shear 60 seconds into flight that resulted in O-Ring seal FAILING then shuttle break up 13 seconds later.

3 PEAPs apparently activated, one being Shuttle pilot Mike J Smith (by Resnik sitting directly behind him).

Pilot Smith flicked several latches/switches on the console to his right to try and restore power.

Impact with ocean at 300KM+/hour drilled bullet hole till it hit 100FT bottom. Compartment crushed.