i saw two fat jokers in the gym yesterday doing tricep pushdowns on the easy Flex machine stack, the one with two pulleys for literally an hour, i did 4 sets of barbell inclines, 3 sets of seated dumbell presses, 3 sets of lateral raises, 3 sets of close grip benches, 3 sets of overhead dumbbell extensions and 3 sets of pushdowns and these clowns were still doing pushdowns, hahahaha.