IOC re-tests 454 athlete samples from the 2008 Olympics...

[WannaBePro]

And 31 athletes from six different sports from 12 countries failed the drug test.

http://www.olympic.org/news/the-ioc-takes-decisive-action-to-protect-the-clean-athletes-doped-athletes-from-beijing-london-and-sochi-all-targeted/249221

[Pray_4_War]

So the IOC actually thinks that a bunch of these athletes are clean?  That they just happened to be graced by god to accomplish superhuman feats and the other ones are cheaters?

Bwahahahaha!

[Deacon Jeschin]

I could see if the testing was flawed, or covered up (like the Russian situation) and it was discovered. But if they are testing samples taken years ago and holding them to today's standards, that doesn't seem right.

Kind of like double jeopardy.

[Howard]

I could see if the testing was flawed, or covered up (like the Russian situation) and it was discovered. But if they are testing samples taken years ago and holding them to today's standards, that doesn't seem right.

Kind of like double jeopardy.

Good pt.
It's like looking at a replay from a big game 8 years ago, with modern high def equipment.
You then decide to retroactively change the result , 8 years later.

Basic, practical concerns is why I am now against drug testing in any sport.
At best, you end up disqualifying the juiced athlete a few days AFTER the event is over.
If you can't disqualify  somebody for drugs before/during the time they compete, then fuk it.

[Deacon Jeschin]

Good pt.
It's like looking at a replay from a big game 8 years ago, with modern high def equipment.
You then decide to retroactively change the result , 8 years later.

Basic, practical concerns is why I am now against drug testing in any sport.
At best, you end up disqualifying the juiced athlete a few days AFTER the event is over.
If you can't disqualify  somebody for drugs before/during the time they compete, then fuk it.

I guess it would be ok if I were a clean athlete who didn't place well, then find out that dirty competitors knocked you out of your rightful placing.

This would just be for the clean athlete's peace of mind.  Acknowledgement, glory, and endorsements/ opportunities would be long gone.

[Zillotch]

Why? Whats the goal of retesting old samples?

[Howard]

I guess it would be ok if I were a clean athlete who didn't place well, then find out that dirty competitors knocked you out of your rightful placing.

This would just be for the clean athlete's peace of mind.  Acknowledgement, glory, and endorsements/ opportunities would be long gone.

It's happened.

1976 Olympic marathon winner Zapinski was found to be positive for steroids several years later .
Silver medalist Frank Shorter was supposed to be awarded the gold meal , due to sample retesting ,several years later. Shorter felt the length of time was too long to make it meaningful, but felt vindicated.

[Conker]

I could see if the testing was flawed, or covered up (like the Russian situation) and it was discovered. But if they are testing samples taken years ago and holding them to today's standards, that doesn't seem right.

Kind of like double jeopardy.

the drugs they are finding in the samples now were banned 8 yrs ago, they're not flagging up tests for drugs that were banned after this point. so it's still the same standards as then just the testing is now more sophisticated.

it's like when there's a dna evidence breakthrough or something and they go back and check historic dna samples etc in cases where there wasn't evidence to bring charges, but the new sophistication in testing identifies a suspect.

[Howard]

Why? Whats the goal of retesting old samples?

This is how they busted Lance Armstrong.
Now, the technology exists to test samples and prove they were juiced.

I've seen a few documentary programs on IOC and USADA drug testing aka doping control.
My impression is the testers want to finally prove they can nab the drug cheats.
Sadly, it's morphed into some cat and mouse gotcha game.

Lance Armstrong said  the public would have never  known , IF he  stayed retired after his last Tour De France win. He feels , his defiant " in your face" attitude motivated the drug testing groups to bust his ass by any means possible.

[Deacon Jeschin]

the drugs they are finding in the samples now were banned 8 yrs ago, they're not flagging up tests for drugs that were banned after this point. so it's still the same standards as then just the testing is now more sophisticated.

it's like when there's a dna evidence breakthrough or something and they go back and check historic dna samples etc in cases where there wasn't evidence to bring charges, but the new sophistication in testing identifies a suspect.

You make good points that I agree with.  However, an argument can be made that if the IOC wants to ban certain drugs, they should be able to prove at that time who is using.....not a decade later.

If that's the case, medals should not be awarded until a satisfactory time period lapses so the testing companies can play catch up.