I dunno, yeah his exercise form has not done him any favours the last couple years and his stage physique is 2-3 years past retirement date, however he did look good prior to that, his being the hardcore looking physique which had it's place in bodybuilding. The torn muscles start to show the wear and tear like I said about 2-3 years ago. people can call his training whatever they like, but the guy did bust his ass throughout his training, and I don't recall him ever shit talking anyone personally so I don't really understand why people hate him. Example is everyone is praising Dexter these past couple years yet when he was Mr O for that one year everyone started to hate him because he was acting like a dick, somewhat comparable to how people feel about Phil.