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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2016, 06:09:44 PM »
When you jumped the fences did it make the sounds that played when Steve Austin used to jump in the 6 million dollar man?

Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. When I was around 15 me and a couple buddies were starting leaf fires in the woods. The police showed up and we started running. I felt like I was flying I remember jumping over this huge fence like it was absolutely nothing.

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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2016, 06:14:03 PM »
::) Jeez -- what a load of Balonie
Did anyone Take That Skinny Fat Sri Remotely Seriously

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But he lifted 7063 and 3/4! Those 3/4 made all the difference!
Seems like this codger managed to fool even Bill Pearl (or maybe Bill did it for the money).

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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2016, 06:14:43 PM »
... except these stories of non-lifters lifting cars and such are well-reported. Remember that the physics of lifting a car is very different than doing a deadlift or something. In these stories, people are just lifting the car a few inches or so to save someone pinned underneath. Hydraulics provide a lot of momentum, and the person pumped full of adrenaline lifts the rest. Once she gets it up high enough, she has to hold it long enough for the person to get out. Static strength is much stronger than concentric strength. In a lot of these cases, people tear their muscles and tendons. For the most part, strength IS in the mind. The nervous system has a lot more to do with it than muscle size. Human genetics inhibit what their nervous system puts out in normal circumstances, but that limit can also be turned off.

Think of a chimpanzee. It's four feet tall and weighs 100 lbs, yet it can lift a thousand pounds without even knowing what it's. A chimp's muscular system and nervous system are basically the same as a human's with one exception, namely how well it can control nerve firings to contract its muscles. Humans evolved to inhibit the intensity of these firings so as to gain precise control over their muscles and develop fine motor skills. We don't need raw strength because we have raw intelligence that allows us to build machines stronger than any animal.

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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2016, 12:32:38 AM »
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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2016, 01:45:47 AM »
Interesting, what sort of lift is that?
... except these stories of non-lifters lifting cars and such are well-reported. Remember that the physics of lifting a car is very different than doing a deadlift or something. In these stories, people are just lifting the car a few inches or so to save someone pinned underneath. Hydraulics provide a lot of momentum, and the person pumped full of adrenaline lifts the rest. Once she gets it up high enough, she has to hold it long enough for the person to get out. Static strength is much stronger than concentric strength. In a lot of these cases, people tear their muscles and tendons. For the most part, strength IS in the mind. The nervous system has a lot more to do with it than muscle size. Human genetics inhibit what their nervous system puts out in normal circumstances, but that limit can also be turned off.

Think of a chimpanzee. It's four feet tall and weighs 100 lbs, yet it can lift a thousand pounds without even knowing what it's. A chimp's muscular system and nervous system are basically the same as a human's with one exception, namely how well it can control nerve firings to contract its muscles. Humans evolved to inhibit the intensity of these firings so as to gain precise control over their muscles and develop fine motor skills. We don't need raw strength because we have raw intelligence that allows us to build machines stronger than any animal.

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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2016, 03:01:40 AM »
It's only BS, if you want it to be BS.

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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2016, 03:49:50 AM »
It's only BS, if you want it to be BS.

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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2016, 03:59:53 AM »
Wasn't there a study/experiment/stunt where the researchers hid the amount of  weight being used from the lifter(s) who then exceeded PB (s) unknowingly?  Maybe I read it in one of the columns written by that Starr guy from Johns Hopkins that wrote articles for MuscleMag...

(Or do I need to lay off the mushrooms...?)
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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2016, 04:17:49 AM »
Wasn't there a study/experiment/stunt where the researchers hid the amount of  weight being used from the lifter(s) who then exceeded PB (s) unknowingly?  Maybe I read it in one of the columns written by that Starr guy from Johns Hopkins that wrote articles for MuscleMag...

(Or do I need to lay off the mushrooms...?)

I think I first heard of that as being a method the russians used as far back as Vasily Alexeev's (spelling?) hey day in treaining, where they'd load up a bar with some odd combos of smaller plates so that the lifter wouldn't know what precise amount they were lifting on that lift, and weren't obviously given the luxury of enough time to stand there and mentally catalogue the plates and do the math, and often as not (obviously they went for small increments over PBs) they'd get the lift, and then be told what it was which would also be a good morale booster.

I've 'heard' of the stories of people lifting cars off toddlers (almost always the mother) but I've never actually seen one that is even 'reasonably' documented, it's always a third hand (probably 100 and 3rd) account. Even if it was better documented, I'd suggest there's also just as many stories (with witnesses) of alien encounters. It's BS.

No doubt an adrenaline spike and a loved one in trouble will enable a potentially greater output than a sedate gym lift setting, but there's still limits to human physiology, you won't get someone who struggles to lift their kid into the bath suddenly lifting a car off of the same kid, life and death situation or not. 

As for sri chimnoy, or however it is spelt, all that was impressive about his 'feats' were the rube goldberg devices to support the weights and the dodgy idea of the way it was measured (iirc something like any movement of the bar itself near the centre and that was considered to be supporting the whole weight, in reality he probably supported maybe a few hundred pounds on his back at the peak of the 'lift). It's no surprise he didn't enter any powerlifting meets and knock off an 'easy' 2000 lb squat or anything, which would have been piss easy if he was even remotely capable of his ludicrous lift claims. Despite that being blatantly obvious he had more numerous and seemingly far more unshakeable nuthuggers than jason blaha :)

The comparison to chimps isn't super valid, imo, because we evolved differently (possibly a common ancestor but a drastically different path). If we (as a species) evolved as anything it was more toward endurance as far as physical stuff goes, and as far as being predators, we didn't get to the top of the food chain through physical prowess, it was our brain power that allowed us to hunt collaboratively, make tools/weapons and utilize them that set us apart. and for the love of god (heh) I hope this doesn't push this into a tangent about evolution.

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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2016, 10:45:00 AM »
I think I first heard of that as being a method the russians used as far back as Vasily Alexeev's (spelling?) hey day in treaining, where they'd load up a bar with some odd combos of smaller plates so that the lifter wouldn't know what precise amount they were lifting on that lift, and weren't obviously given the luxury of enough time to stand there and mentally catalogue the plates and do the math, and often as not (obviously they went for small increments over PBs) they'd get the lift, and then be told what it was which would also be a good morale booster.

The comparison to chimps isn't super valid, imo, because we evolved differently (possibly a common ancestor but a drastically different path). If we (as a species) evolved as anything it was more toward endurance as far as physical stuff goes, and as far as being predators, we didn't get to the top of the food chain through physical prowess, it was our brain power that allowed us to hunt collaboratively, make tools/weapons and utilize them that set us apart. and for the love of god (heh) I hope this doesn't push this into a tangent about evolution.

Yes, that sounds familiar and may even have been referenced in that article I'm thinking about - thanks

As for the chimp/gorilla thing, my only observation here is the vegetarian angle - I wonder how come they can weigh 400lbs and be that strong eating greens  (Yeh, I know some chimps trap and eat monkeys, but on the whole they are veggies, no?...)
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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2016, 11:09:29 AM »
All this shit that we re all capable of 1000lb deadlifts if we HAVE to. Like the woman lifting the car off her kid. You believe all this? I don't. Strength is simply genetic with a bit of training and gear involved. No weak ass woman who watches soap opera all day is lifting no car off no God damn kid!

Most females couldn't BUT I know some BMC approved babes who squat a semi -trunk .

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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2016, 09:10:26 AM »
As for the chimp/gorilla thing, my only observation here is the vegetarian angle - I wonder how come they can weigh 400lbs and be that strong eating greens  (Yeh, I know some chimps trap and eat monkeys, but on the whole they are veggies, no?...)

They also eat a lot of insects. Probably a lot more than the "experts" think. That would be something they have in common with our hominid ancestors. Plenty of fast available essential amino acids, essential fatty acids, vitamins and minerals in insects. Way way more than in carbs.

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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2016, 09:24:37 AM »
They also eat a lot of insects. Probably a lot more than the "experts" think. That would be something they have in common with our hominid ancestors. Plenty of fast available essential amino acids, essential fatty acids, vitamins and minerals in insects. Way way more than in carbs.

I see.  So what you're saying is they instinctively know how to hit their anabolic window*.... hmmm very intredasting...  After ducks and frogs, perhaps insect protein should be Iron Mike's next big venture+...



*Just kidding - I did not know that about the insects, thanks.  But that sounds like a lot of insects!

+ In before someone points out to me that you can already buy insect protein on the interwebz from China or something...
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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2016, 09:28:29 AM »
Yes, that sounds familiar and may even have been referenced in that article I'm thinking about - thanks

As for the chimp/gorilla thing, my only observation here is the vegetarian angle - I wonder how come they can weigh 400lbs and be that strong eating greens  (Yeh, I know some chimps trap and eat monkeys, but on the whole they are veggies, no?...)

I'm not a vegan guy, but yeah. A rhino can eat nothing but grass. Nature is truly remarkable.

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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2016, 09:28:52 AM »
I see.  So what you're saying is they instinctively know how to hit their anabolic window*
*Just kidding - I did not know that about the insects, thanks.  But that sounds like a lot of insects!

Find an ant's nest on the ground, or in a tree, and you can eat literally pounds of them, in no time at all.

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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2016, 06:29:14 PM »

+ In before someone points out to me that you can already buy insect protein on the interwebz from China or something...







Yes - sold as Easyliy Digested Chinese Whey Protien 90%+    :o

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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2016, 11:43:05 AM »
Find an ant's nest on the ground, or in a tree, and you can eat literally pounds of them, in no time at all.

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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
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Re: The strength is in the mind BS
« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2016, 09:56:53 AM »
I don't watch cartoons.

What, you've never seen Jungle Book?  It would have been around when you were younger (and less serious)...
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