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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #50 on: April 03, 2006, 01:21:29 AM »
That first picture of Coleman in this thread is one of the best I've ever seen of him, excellent. I guess this picture was taken around 1997? Here's what I don't understand:

The 1997 Coleman lost to the 1997 Yates, quite decisevely. It is quite likely that the 2003 Coleman would defeat the 1993, 1995, 1997 or whatever reincarnation of Yates. So this would mean that by bodybuilding standards the 2003 Coleman is way better than the 1997 version. Something I, and I think many others with me, completely disagree with. I think it shows how futile these discussions of Coleman vs Yates are, because obviously the judges have standards of their own.

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2006, 01:29:28 AM »
That first picture of Coleman in this thread is one of the best I've ever seen of him, excellent. I guess this picture was taken around 1997? Here's what I don't understand:

The 1997 Coleman lost to the 1997 Yates, quite decisevely. It is quite likely that the 2003 Coleman would defeat the 1993, 1995, 1997 or whatever reincarnation of Yates. So this would mean that by bodybuilding standards the 2003 Coleman is way better than the 1997 version. Something I, and I think many others with me, completely disagree with. I think it shows how futile these discussions of Coleman vs Yates are, because obviously the judges have standards of their own.

I've always said that Ronnie was at his best in 96-97, not according to the judges, but according to my eye.

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2006, 01:36:11 AM »

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #53 on: April 03, 2006, 01:38:09 AM »
this is just rediculous  :o


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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #54 on: April 03, 2006, 01:43:29 AM »
From that greatness to this sack of shit...how they let him win this one I don't know ???


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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #55 on: April 03, 2006, 02:50:31 AM »
Ronnie never said one word in 96 and 97 when he was getting screwed. His conditioning, in the back, wasn't quite up to Yates' level, but how did he place 4 spots behind Ray here ???


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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #56 on: April 03, 2006, 02:57:02 AM »
Ronnie never said one word in 96 and 97 when he was getting screwed. His conditioning, in the back, wasn't quite up to Yates' level, but how did he place 4 spots behind Ray here ???



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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #57 on: April 03, 2006, 06:52:57 AM »
nobody used to root for Ronnie as much as me.  I remember seeing his pics when he placed in the top 5 at his first nationals and I said that guy is gonna be great.  When he placed near the bottom at the 91 Chicago-I think he that was his first pro show but I'm going off memory so I could be wrong-and the 91 NOC I still said he's gonna rip it up if he gets his shit together.  91 Olympia I remember pics of him standing in the background and thinking he's gonna be great and if he ever decides to do roids he's gonna crush everyone.  When Ronnie started winning shows I was like-yes, he finally did it.  96 Toronto, I could not believe it..he beat Flex and I still think he could have won the 96 NOC. 97 I thought he was aswome, front lat spread from the NOC that year was great, still one of the only pics I ever cut out and put on my wall.  1st olympia win, I was all for it but since then I really can't wait to see him loose.  He's not what he used to be.  Ronnie is actually everything he used to say he didn't want to be.  He used to say he'd rather look like he did than some 300lbs monster with no taper..it's kinda sad.  He's arrogant, at least he comes across that way in the mags.  Dorian never seemed to change when he was winning, same attitude all the time.  yeah it's great that ronnie got up to almost 300lbs and was ripped a couple of years ago but what did that do for the sport?  Nothing.  Thanks to ronnie we've got a bunch of bloated gut no detail having pro's dominating the sport.  Ronnie just looked like a drugged up water logged pro, his back isn't even as good as it used to be.  He gets so pissed when he looses, not gracious at all.  Did you see the look on his face when he lost the challenge round?  that's a true champ right there.  Did you read any of his comments after Gunter beat him..true class there. 
Bottom line Ronnie was the best bodybuilder on the planet...key word "was" now he's just living off his name.
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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #58 on: April 03, 2006, 07:21:40 AM »
One of his best pics

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #59 on: April 03, 2006, 08:25:24 AM »
that pic in 96 97 ronnie looks great in that shot.  def. the better of the 3.  if the greatest is considered by # of wins then ronnie is tied with the greatest and 1 more will make him the greatest over haney, if # of wins is considered.  now if personal favs or popular opinions determine the greatest then thats a totaly dif. story.    the oaks gotta be up there, along with the myth and early ronnie prob up there too.  as to the debate of dorian v ronnie, thats personal preference but what would you rather have, monster calves or monster bi's?  dorian good if u like the dry grainy look ala branch warren, personally i don't i like shredded ronnie, darreem, dex types better.  personal preference, i don't go for the grainy dry look.

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #60 on: April 03, 2006, 11:15:37 AM »
You are making the most idiotic argument ever :o

You can't just say that he didn't deserve it. You aren't a judge, you weren't there, etc. How can you say that he deserved it? Conversely, how can you say that Ronnie did or didn't deserve straight firsts. You just look at a few pictures???

That's hardly valid. Nobody writes a scientifc journal saying I believe this, I believe that. They back up their argument with statistics and first hand evidence.

Well, we have the evidence here. The same judges judged Haney, Yates, and Coleman. Both Haney and Yates have more straight firsts that Coleman. End of Story.

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 Evidence? Hahahaha...it's a bodybuilding contest. I looked at the pictures and determined that Dorian competed with more symmetrical bodybuilders and still won the symmetry round. Do you dispute that? This is not science, it is art.

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #61 on: April 03, 2006, 11:17:48 AM »
Whats funny is you can't resort to quotes & numbers to prove your argument , because you have nothing , okay you may find a writer that says Yates shouldn't have won in 94 and I can find you 5 that says he should , whats ironic is the stats don't work in your favor so you don't like them , boo-hoo , if they did work for your lame argument , you'd be spewing them left & right , bottom line , both Haney & Yates were heavy contenders right out the bat , both never placed below 3rd & 2nd respectively in a contest , both won the Olympia on their 2nd try , both have greater win percentages , both faced much better competition , both domiated on the score cards their competition , 99% of both their wins were with almost perfect scores , now you may disagree with these facts , but they are still facts that you can't change , no matter how bad you try , out of 8 Olympia wins for Coleman , just 2 of those wins were with perfect scores , out of the other 6 , 3 were very close calls by 3 points only , and on one ocassion it was by 4 points , etc , so keep bitching , about the facts , but it doesn't change them .

 It doesn't matter if that they had perfect scores because they were not the most symmetrical (particularly Dorian) and they won the symmetry round anyway. So the judging is/was obviously pretty ridiculous.

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #62 on: April 03, 2006, 11:19:46 AM »
Ronnie never said one word in 96 and 97 when he was getting screwed. His conditioning, in the back, wasn't quite up to Yates' level, but how did he place 4 spots behind Ray here ???



 This is what I am saying. All we can do is look at pictures and make judgments. Bodybuilding is the rare sport where the judges don't know any more than the average longtime fan.

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #63 on: April 03, 2006, 12:35:03 PM »
ronnie looks like a phenom in that pic.  whatever show that is he should have won.  looks great there.   :o

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #64 on: April 03, 2006, 12:46:58 PM »
It doesn't matter if that they had perfect scores because they were not the most symmetrical (particularly Dorian) and they won the symmetry round anyway. So the judging is/was obviously pretty ridiculous.

well in a perfect world an in shape Bob Paris would win everything..no can touch him in terms of symmetry so he'd win that round, he was a great poser so he could win that round and the posedown is up in the air...I don't understand how Dorian or even Ronnie today can win a show...
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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #65 on: April 03, 2006, 03:06:48 PM »
well in a perfect world an in shape Bob Paris would win everything..no can touch him in terms of symmetry so he'd win that round, he was a great poser so he could win that round and the posedown is up in the air...I don't understand how Dorian or even Ronnie today can win a show...

 I understand how they win the posedown and posing round IF the physique is all that is being judged, BUT neither Ronnie nor Dorian is the most aesthetic. If someone else wins the symmetry round, which is what should happen, shouldn't they both be able to claim that they have quality physiques, and therefore either one could win the posing and posedown rounds?

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #66 on: April 03, 2006, 03:21:58 PM »

for all the Colemaniacs out there 8)


feel the biceps!!

Dorian who? ;D

notice hulkster cut off captain corndog legs at the knees in the pic above.....

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #67 on: April 03, 2006, 03:22:57 PM »
notice hulkster cut off captain corndog legs at the knees in the pic above.....

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 Ronnie's calves are bigger than yours ::)

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #68 on: April 03, 2006, 03:25:18 PM »
Ronnie's calves are bigger than yours ::)

At 300lbs they better be  ;) and its not how big they are irs how developed they are and how well they size up with his quads and he fails on both those accounts .

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #69 on: April 03, 2006, 04:43:18 PM »
actually, I didn't "cut off" the pic - thats the way I found the pic.  It was perfect as is :)
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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #70 on: April 03, 2006, 04:43:57 PM »
actually, I didn't "cut off" the pic - thats the way I found the pic.  It was perfect as is :)


I agree it is perfect...nobody wants to see shitty calves....

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #71 on: April 03, 2006, 04:48:27 PM »

its funny how some bodybuilders are given success right from the get go and handed the wins on a silver platter (eg. yates didn't have to pay any dues) yet others like Ronnie (who obviously should have been placing a lot better than he was in 96/97) have to "do the time" before they get their deserving rewards.

politics have no place in judging physiques.

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #72 on: April 03, 2006, 04:52:06 PM »
kevin was another one who pretty much "debuted" placing second at the 91 O., Flex did well right off the bat, but others, like Ronnie, Chris Cormier, and others really had to fight tooth and nail to get the judges to recognize their greatness.

I am sure there are others besides Ronnie and Chris, but those are two obvious examples.

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #73 on: April 03, 2006, 09:19:20 PM »

its funny how some bodybuilders are given success right from the get go and handed the wins on a silver platter (eg. yates didn't have to pay any dues) yet others like Ronnie (who obviously should have been placing a lot better than he was in 96/97) have to "do the time" before they get their deserving rewards.

politics have no place in judging physiques.



Get Ronnie's dick out of your mouth please ::) Ronnie had potential, but even just watch the '95 olympia, he was really not a threat at all becuase he wasn't conditioned well (not even close to yates), and I agree he took it up a notch 96-97, but he still wasn't conditioned as well.

Yates didn't pay his dues? Yates waited 3 years before even doing a pro show becuase he wanted to make sure he could win right off the bat.

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Re: Cool Black and White Ronnie pic
« Reply #74 on: April 03, 2006, 10:11:46 PM »
Get Ronnie's dick out of your mouth please ::) Ronnie had potential, but even just watch the '95 olympia, he was really not a threat at all becuase he wasn't conditioned well (not even close to yates), and I agree he took it up a notch 96-97, but he still wasn't conditioned as well.

Yates didn't pay his dues? Yates waited 3 years before even doing a pro show becuase he wanted to make sure he could win right off the bat.

 If you love Dorian so much, why don't you marry him ::)