Scientific Survey

[Palumboism]

8.)what difference does any of it make to us

8.)None

I get it, to Getbig science doesn't matter.  I started this thread to test the waters.  I'm reading a book called a Troublesome Inheritance that's about genes and race.  This book is actually very scientific and I wanted to see how a discussion of science would go down on Getbig.  I assumed it would spiral down to an argument about the earth being flat. 

If biologists study race and genetics it can be career ending. 

[illuminati]

I get it, to Getbig science doesn't matter.  I started this thread to test the waters.  I'm reading a book called a Troublesome Inheritance that's about genes and race.  This book is actually very scientific and I wanted to see how a discussion of science would go down on Getbig.  I assumed it would spiral down to an argument about the earth being flat. 

If biologists study race and genetics it can be career ending. 

Hmmm - maybe to some it doesn't matter.

Please answer what difference it would make to our lives right now or how life on this planet has evolved
to how societies & countries are now.

Why should it be career ending for biologists -- is it TPTB don't want certain information becoming well know - or another reason.

[Palumboism]

Hmmm - maybe to some it doesn't matter.

Please answer what difference it would make to our lives right now or how life on this planet has evolved
to how societies & countries are now.

Why should it be career ending for biologists -- is it TPTB don't want certain information becoming well know - or another reason.

I think your point is that relativity and the Big bang have no affect on our life on earth.  Yes, I'll agree with you on that.  However, the world is the way it is now because of Science.  Without science the world wouldn't have changed much since the Middle ages.

I'll answer your second question in another thread.  

[The Ugly]

Hmmm - maybe to some it doesn't matter.

Please answer what difference it would make to our lives right now or how life on this planet has evolved
to how societies & countries are now.

Why should it be career ending for biologists -- is it TPTB don't want certain information becoming well know - or another reason.

Isn't knowing (vs. not) reward enough in itself? For those to whom it does matter, I mean. I'd say so.

Reaching the moon, for example; knowledge for the sake of knowledge. Worthy enough goal for many - and it doesn't discount the possibility of a more practical, unforeseen benefit. Technological advances often result from seemingly unrelated pursuits; it's how we got microwave ovens, MRIs, and plenty more.

Quaere verum.

[illuminati]

I think your point is that relativity and the Big bang have no affect on our life on earth.  Yes, I'll agree with you on that.  However, the world is the way it is now because of Science.  Without science the world wouldn't have changed much since the Middle ages.

I'll answer your second question in another thread.  

Glad you agree on 'Relativity' & 'The Big Bang'

I would say that Science has become more important to shaping our world in the last 150yrs.
Depends on how strictly we define science.

I look forward to your other thread.

[illuminati]

Isn't knowing (vs. not) reward enough in itself? For those to whom it does matter, I mean. I'd say so.

Reaching the moon, for example; knowledge for the sake of knowledge. Worthy enough goal for many - and it doesn't discount the possibility of a more practical, unforeseen benefit. Technological advances often result from seemingly unrelated pursuits; it's how we got microwave ovens, MRIs, and plenty more.

Quaere verum.

Yes knowing for the sake of knowing is satisfying / reward.

Only we don't know for sure about the Big Bang - Evolution - origin in Africa - Stardust - Number of Galaxies
& To some extent The theory of relativity.

Agree that space exploration & many other scientific experiments directly & indirectly have led to many many technological advancements - Long may that continue.

[The Ugly]

Yes knowing for the sake of knowing is satisfying / reward.

Only we don't know for sure about the Big Bang - Evolution - origin in Africa - Stardust - Number of Galaxies
& To some extent The theory of relativity.

Agree that space exploration & many other scientific experiments directly & indirectly have led to many many technological advancements - Long may that continue.

Not much dissent here. Settled as can be, pretty much.

[doison]

4 is bullshit.  Don't think there's a single origin for humans.  Just compare a Pure Bred Swede to a Dindu to a China Man.  Don't claim evolution made the chinese with yellow skin and slanted eyes for a reason.  Don't think Swedes living in cold regions would be dark skinned to attract the suns rays while blacks in a hot region would be like skinned to reflect the sun?

Never heard of a sunburn?

[Palumboism]

Yes knowing for the sake of knowing is satisfying / reward.

Only we don't know for sure about the Big Bang - Evolution - origin in Africa - Stardust - Number of Galaxies
& To some extent The theory of relativity.

Agree that space exploration & many other scientific experiments directly & indirectly have led to many many technological advancements - Long may that continue.

Sure, The Big Bang is a theory but you take the speed at which the galaxies are moving away from each other and the Universe is expanding and regress it backwards in time.  The speed of galaxies is determined using the red shift in star light.

Origins in Africa are based on Fossils.  We even know at what time man migrated to the other continents based on the earliest dates of fossils and using radiometric dating to measure the decay of isotopes.

Einsteins Theory of relativity was proven by measuring deflection of stars around the sun during and eclipse. This proved that mass does in fact bend light and space time.

The estimate of how many galaxies there are in the universe is done by counting how many galaxies we can see in a small area of the sky. This number is then used to guess how many galaxies there are in the entire sky.

For the time being, the hundreds of billions in the tally are extrapolated from the Hubble Ultra Deep Field, taken over a time period in 2003 and 2004. Pointed at a single piece of space for several months — a spot covering less than one-tenth of one-millionth of the sky — Hubble returned an image of galaxies 13 billion light years away.



Each of these is a galaxy as big as the Milky-Way.

[Palumboism]

Yes knowing for the sake of knowing is satisfying / reward.

Only we don't know for sure about the Big Bang - Stardust

As most stars age their supply of hydrogen is used up and the outside of the star begins to cool, changes color, expands and the star becomes a red giant. (Note: in about 5 billion years our sun will become a red giant, expand and consume the plants Mercury and Venus!).

The core of a red giant is compressed and compressed, until, at last, the forces are strong enough to begin fusing helium nuclei (called "alpha particles") together to form larger atoms such as carbon.
   

This is called the triple alpha process and can only occur in the center of a very dense star where the temperature is at least 100,000,000o K.

4He + 4He --> 8Be

4He + 8Be --> 12C

+ 1 gamma ray

+ 7.275 MeV (Million electron volts of energy)

(As a continuation of this fusion process, one more alpha particle can now be crushed together with one of the carbon atoms to form an atom of oxygen, another important atom in living organisms).

All the carbon and oxygen in the human body, thus began in a dying star and are essentially the leftover ash from burning helium!

http://www.brooklyn.cuny.edu/bc/ahp/LAD/C4c/C4c_carbon_creation.html

[Palumboism]

Yes knowing for the sake of knowing is satisfying / reward.

Only we don't know for sure about the Big Bang

How the radiation signature of the Big Bang was discovered.


When Penzias and Wilson reduced their data they found a low, steady, mysterious noise that persisted in their receiver. This residual noise was 100 times more intense than they had expected, was evenly spread over the sky, and was present day and night. They were certain that the radiation they detected on a wavelength of 7.35 centimeters did not come from the Earth, the Sun, or our galaxy. After thoroughly checking their equipment, removing some pigeons nesting in the antenna and cleaning out the accumulated droppings, the noise remained. Both concluded that this noise was coming from outside our own galaxy—although they were not aware of any radio source that would account for it.

At that same time, Robert H. Dicke, Jim Peebles, and David Wilkinson, astrophysicists at Princeton University just 60 km (37 mi) away, were preparing to search for microwave radiation in this region of the spectrum. Dicke and his colleagues reasoned that the Big Bang must have scattered not only the matter that condensed into galaxies but also must have released a tremendous blast of radiation. With the proper instrumentation, this radiation should be detectable, albeit as microwaves, due to a massive redshift.

When a friend (Bernard F. Burke, Prof. of Physics at MIT) told Penzias about a preprint paper he had seen by Jim Peebles on the possibility of finding radiation left over from an explosion that filled the universe at the beginning of its existence, Penzias and Wilson began to realize the significance of their discovery. The characteristics of the radiation detected by Penzias and Wilson fit exactly the radiation predicted by Robert H. Dicke and his colleagues at Princeton University. Penzias called Dicke at Princeton, who immediately sent him a copy of the still-unpublished Peebles paper. Penzias read the paper and called Dicke again and invited him to Bell Labs to look at the horn antenna and listen to the background noise. Dicke, Peebles, Wilkinson and P. G. Roll interpreted this radiation as a signature of the Big Bang.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_of_cosmic_microwave_background_radiation

[Tha Grim Lifter]

Some definitions:

1) Evolution
All life on Earth evolved from a single-celled organism that lived roughly 3.5 billion years ago.

2) The earth is round
The earth is a sphere.

3) The Big Bang
The universe started as a singularity with infinite density and expanded from there.


4) All people originated in Africa.
All mankind originated in Africa and migrated to all the other continents from there.  This map shows the approximate time period based on actual fossil records that were carbon dated.


5) Einstein's Theory of Relativity
The speed of light within a vacuum is the same no matter the speed at which an observer travels. As a result, he found that space and time were interwoven into a single continuum known as space-time. Events that occur at the same time for one observer could occur at different times for another.  As he worked out the equations for his general theory of relativity, Einstein realized that massive objects caused a distortion in space-time.



6) We are all star dust
Stars create new elements in their cores by squeezing elements together in a process called nuclear fusion. First, stars fuse hydrogen atoms into helium. Helium atoms then fuse to create beryllium, and so on, until fusion in the star's core has created every element up to iron.  All atoms used to create life were formed in stars.

7) There are over a Billion galaxies in the Universe
There are approximately 100 billion galaxies in the Universe.  Our galaxy, the Milkyway is just one of those galaxies and contains 100 thousand million stars like our sun.

These are just some of the basic concepts of science that ALL Scientists believe to be true.

I think Aboriginals were around even before 50K years ago, they have evidence of tribes trading goods from 65K years ago.

[El Diablo Blanco]

I think Aboriginals were around even before 50K years ago, they have evidence of tribes trading goods from 65K years ago.

Wes can confirm this.