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Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« on: December 23, 2017, 09:36:53 AM »
Beautiful couple . . .

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Re: Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2017, 10:33:58 AM »
imagine the no of girls he couldve been with in that time

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Re: Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2017, 10:52:40 AM »
Still alive and married. Amazing in the bodybuilding world.

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Re: Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2017, 10:58:21 AM »
He's a gentleman.  I and my older brother have met him (the former when introduced to Zane by Leo Stern) but neither of us have met Christine.

Bodybuilding would be a lot more popular if it went the way of  Zane.  Or the Oak.  Or Reeves. Or anyone from the 40s on through the early 80s.

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Re: Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2017, 11:14:08 AM »
He's a gentleman.  I and my older brother have met him (the former when introduced to Zane by Leo Stern) but neither of us have met Christine.

Bodybuilding would be a lot more popular if it went the way of  Zane.  Or the Oak.  Or Reeves. Or anyone from the 40s on through the early 80s.

or phil heath

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Re: Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2017, 11:43:35 AM »

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Re: Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2017, 11:49:59 AM »
imagine the no of girls he couldve been with in that time


Frank found the love of his life at a young age, good for him

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Re: Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2017, 12:32:01 PM »
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Re: Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2017, 12:41:23 PM »
Wow.  Married 50 yrs.  Good for them!  Especially in this day and age.

Although, the top pic of them can't be from any earlier than 1980, the year Zane Haven was begun.

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Re: Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2017, 10:04:01 PM »
Props to Frank for living the lifestyle

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Re: Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2017, 11:13:18 PM »
Peter McGough [AMI] stated that magazines with Frank Zane on the cover sold better than covers with Arnold.  Peter said that in a documentary about Joe Weider from maybe 2010.  I can't recall if Robert Kennedy from MUSCLEMAG said the same thing.

I always wonder how Frank Zane would look standing next to someone like Mark Wahlberg in Pain & Gain - someone obviously big and in shape...but not in contest shape.  A friend of mine competes in Men's Physique at just over 5'9, and 180-lb, but I don't know how he would look standing next to Frank Zane.  I believe Frank competed in 1981 at 205-lb.  Frank told me that he did not look good at that weight though...even though he was shredded, he just wasn't up to the conditioning standard that he set at 185.

I believe Frank turned 75 earlier this year...so whatever he did, didn't appear to overly harm his longevity.  It's hard to calculate that though, but it is nice to see a bodybuilder live a normal lifespan.  The guys today may not see the twilight of their life when most expect it to be.

Here is my friend in the 180 range, who competes in Men's Physique, and has benched 405 before.  Supposedly in contest form, but I have never seen him bench press more than 385, and that was with a decent bounce, weighing 185-b body weight.  Supposedly natural too.  :) ;D  He is between 5'9 to 5'10 [maybe just under 5'9.5" though.  Zane was about the same height]:

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Re: Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2017, 11:16:13 PM »
Wes and his wife 150 years ago Today



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Re: Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2017, 11:40:41 PM »
Wes and his wife 150 years ago Today

Rofl.  ;D

I try not to poke fun at Wes' age myself - after all, if I am lucky enough to make 62, will I be in anywhere near the shape that Wes is currently in?  I doubt it.

Also calfzilla, have you met Wes' wife?  She literally can't stand ANYTHING to do with his contest prep.  For example, when Wes cracks open a can of tuna fish during his cutting diet, she will snap at him literally the very second the faint scent of fish meets her nostrils.  If she doesn't smell it, she can literally hear the can being cracked open from another floor of their home!  When she's sleeping!  Lol!

So she will be furious at anything and everything related to contest prep...then on contest day, she is front row and centre, and will literally be screaming at the top of her lungs in support of Wes during the callouts, and when he gets a podium finish, she will be more thrilled about it than WES HIMSELF.

LOL.

She's hilarious.  Both funny and at times terrifying, but a super nice lady.  :)

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Re: Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2017, 12:01:58 AM »
Peter McGough [AMI] stated that magazines with Frank Zane on the cover sold better than covers with Arnold.  Peter said that in a documentary about Joe Weider from maybe 2010.  I can't recall if Robert Kennedy from MUSCLEMAG said the same thing.
 
If that was true why wasn't Zane on more covers than Arnold?

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Re: Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2017, 01:05:44 AM »
God, she is so hot, gorgeous...

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Re: Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2017, 01:39:16 AM »
If that was true why wasn't Zane on more covers than Arnold?

Good question, good sir.

I can only go based on what Peter McGough said in that documentary on Joe Weider that may have come out around 2010.  I assume some "politics" are at play in covers - back in the day, FLEX had a sort of monopoly on hardcore bodybuilding magazines.  To be fair, it was not a monopoly, but those of us old enough remember what it was like before the internet - you had to rely on magazines, and the pickings were slim.  I remember buying a FLEX magazine around two months after the Olympia, and it was normally only by that point that the results made it to print.  By then, the results had been posted online, as I started following bodybuilding in 2000, but by the time of FLEX's inaugural issue in 1983, you really had very little outside of the magazines to depend on.

So under that framework, one could say that Joe Weider had a bit more leeway to direct the magazines as he saw fit, and so if Arnold was Weider's favourite [as has been said many times], then it stands to reason that Weider could have put Arnold on as many covers as he wanted.

Compare that to the comments that Shawn Perrine [RIP] made in a VICE article where Dana Linn Bailey was complaining that the judges were oppressing her for not having implants.  Shawn stated:

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"We want to feature top competitors [on the cover] and it just so happens that they have breast implants. It's all market-driven. Whether it's breast augmentation or a certain hairstyle, everything is market-driven. If that's part of the formula [that we use for the] cover, and it sells, then that's what we are going to go for.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/pg55vg/the-judges-want-to-see-boobs-how-the-competitive-fitness-industry-pressures-women-into-getting-breast-implants

Apparently, the billion dollars anti-capitalist organization VICE took issue with AMI using a market-driven approach.  ::)

But basically what I mean is that these days, magazines have less leeway to play favourites - if they want to survive, they need to sell to what little audience they capture, so presumably a complete market-driven approach would be the way to go.

Your post motivated me to do a direct comparison of the respective cover histories from www.musclememory.com of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Frank Zane prior to 1990.  I didn't include the covers from 1990 onward because those were banking on Arnold's Hollywood star power [from 1990 to 2003, when Arnold entered politics] or nostalgic covers, also selling Arnold's popularity [2003 to 2012].

As you said, Arnold did have more covers than Frank - but it was remarkably not as far off as one might guess.  So apparently Frank did sell magazines, and his vast cover list goes to show that.

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Re: Frank and Christine 50 Years Ago Today
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2017, 01:55:54 AM »
God, she is so hot, gorgeous...

So you're into grannies?