Cohen to assert Fifth Amendment right in Stormy Daniels case

[Straw Man]

Good. I was hoping you would post this. This was just one of the articles I was referring too. So what’s your point? Hypothetically....

Mueller: “You plead guilt and we won’t fuck with your son”

Flynn (a father): “K”

At this point Flynn has lost almost everything including his home to pay for legals bills. Mueller financially ruined his life.....for fucking nothing.

fun game

I want to play

Flynn: How exactly is "fucking with my son" even legal.  Go ahead a fuck with him and lets see what happens

[Agnostic007]

Yup you said it, if you do not think the establishment are trying everything to take Trump and anyone connect to him down.

No, I was wrong that there is hope you can save your credibility.

[Agnostic007]

fun game

I want to play

Flynn: How exactly is "fucking with my son" even legal.  Go ahead a fuck with him and lets see what happens

I'm just amazed at the length people will go to create a scenario where Flynn wasn't guilty

[Irongrip400]

I'm saying you will make up excuses for anything from that administration. He PLEAD GUILTY. It might have been to keep his cover as an alien from another planet. It could have been because the CIA needs him to in order to pull off some extravagant plot, it may even be part of an elaborate April Fools joke, but it is most likely, based on the evidence and information available, that he was GUILTY and was looking at some serious charges and potential time.  

"The culpability of and potential charges against Flynn’s son, based on public reports, is less clear. Media reports identify Flynn’s son as the Chief of Staff and principal aide to his father at Flynn Intel Group, his father’s consulting and lobbying firm. Reporting further reflects that Flynn’s son attended a December 2015 dinner in Moscow with his father, who sat at a table with Russia’s President; that Russian television network RT paid for Flynn’s son’s travel to Moscow, and RT begrudgingly registered in early November 2017 as a foreign agent under FARA; Flynn Intel Group received $530,000 for work benefitting the Turkish government; and work for Turkish interests relating to Fethullah Gulen, the United States resident Turkish cleric accused of fomenting an attempted coup in 2016. Flynn’s son’s attending meetings and communicating with clients are not, of themselves, criminal offenses. Rather, prosecutors will need evidence of Flynn’s son’s actual intentional participation in criminal acts or his intentionally conspiring with his father to commit a criminal act, in order to bring criminal charges. However, the elder Flynn’s legal team having stopped communicating with the President’s legal defense team may suggest that prosecutors have expressed privately their intent to bring such charges against Flynn and his son, and that they may be negotiating a resolution.

In order for the Special Counsel to threaten and actually bring criminal charges against Flynn’s son, the prosecutors must believe, as set forth in the United States Attorney’ Manual (USAM), that Flynn’s son’s “conduct constitutes a criminal offense, the admissible evidence will probably be sufficient to obtain and sustain a conviction and that a substantial federal interest would be served by the prosecution.” Normally, DOJ policy would disfavor leveraging one close family member against another. The Flynn scenario, however, falls expressly within an exception. That is “specific justification exists, among other circumstances, where (i) the witness and the relative participated in a common business enterprise and the testimony to be elicited relates to that enterprise or its activities; (ii) the testimony to be elicited relates to illegal conduct in which there is reason to believe that both the witness and the relative were active participants; or (iii) testimony to be elicited relates to a crime involving overriding prosecutorial concerns.” Mueller’s team need not look beyond the three alternative justifications – any one is sufficient for the exception to apply; meanwhile, all three expressly apply to the father-son Flynns."

They had Flynn, they may have had his son. His guilty plea even if it was to spare his son, doesn't negate the fact he and possibly his son conspired in criminal acts. You can claim all you want to that it was coercion. The information indicates he was caught and made a deal.   

Hey bro, Andy Dufresne wasn't guilty either and took his chances. Look where it got him. Life in Shawshank.

[Agnostic007]

Hey bro, Andy Dufresne wasn't guilty either and took his chances. Look where it got him. Life in Shawshank.

Good point

[andreisdaman]

Nice underhanded move on Trump's part with an eyewink as well to issue a pardon so as to signal his willingness to pardon Cohen

[chaos]

I'm just amazed at the length people will go to create a scenario where Flynn wasn't guilty

Not nearly as impressive as the fbi/cia/presidential cover up they did for killary.

[Primemuscle]

Not nearly as impressive as the fbi/cia/presidential cover up they did for killary.

Do you ever wonder what the future holds? This is the age of mudslinging. Sometimes it sticks, occasionally it doesn't. There are times that it sticks only to be washed off...usually with lies. Politicians are an unusually muddy group regardless of whether they lean to the right or to the left. 

[Agnostic007]

Not nearly as impressive as the fbi/cia/presidential cover up they did for killary.

and another who is destined to be added to the irrelevant pile with Sherif and soulcrusher

[Dos Equis]

Do you ever wonder what the future holds? This is the age of mudslinging. Sometimes it sticks, occasionally it doesn't. There are times that it sticks only to be washed off...usually with lies. Politicians are an unusually muddy group regardless of whether they lean to the right or to the left. 

The future holds chaos (so to speak).  We are in the middle of a culture war.  It's going to get uglier. 

[Straw Man]

[chaos]

and another who is destined to be added to the irrelevant pile with Sherif and soulcrusher

I can see how you'd like to avoid the truth. Having to face your own double standards might not be something you're used to.

[Agnostic007]

I can see how you'd like to avoid the truth. Having to face your own double standards might not be something you're used to.

Blah blah blah

[chaos]

Do you ever wonder what the future holds? This is the age of mudslinging. Sometimes it sticks, occasionally it doesn't. There are times that it sticks only to be washed off...usually with lies. Politicians are an unusually muddy group regardless of whether they lean to the right or to the left. 

The future is bleak. I'm assuming another civil war, divided along party lines.

[chaos]

Blah blah blah

Did you have your fingers in your ears for this?

[Agnostic007]

Did you have your fingers in your ears for this?

''I'm just tired of hearing the same old bull shit.. 

[Agnostic007]

Did you have your fingers in your ears for this?

I'm a fan of the truth, I have no patience for partisan bullshit and you and a few others are really pushing that limit. Facts are irrelevant.. it's all about what is partisan for the republicans... gets old

Sherif and Soul have lost all credibility. They are Republican shills. You and Dos Equis are quickly approaching that.   I's not that we don't agree, its that facts don't seem to matter to you guys.

[lilhawk1]

I'm a fan of the truth, I have no patience for partisan bullshit and you and a few others are really pushing that limit. Facts are irrelevant.. it's all about what is partisan for the republicans... gets old

Sherif and Soul have lost all credibility. They are Republican shills. You and Dos Equis are quickly approaching that.   I's not that we don't agree, its that facts don't seem to matter to you guys.

They make up their own facts, their own reality, and that is where they live. Just like Trump.  If facts don't line up with that reality, then its fake news, or a conspiracy, or the deep state, or Hillary, or Obama, blah, blah.

[chaos]

I'm a fan of the truth, I have no patience for partisan bullshit and you and a few others are really pushing that limit. Facts are irrelevant.. it's all about what is partisan for the republicans... gets old

Sherif and Soul have lost all credibility. They are Republican shills. You and Dos Equis are quickly approaching that.   I's not that we don't agree, its that facts don't seem to matter to you guys.

Can't speak for the others, but if pointing out the hypocrisy from you leftists is denying facts, then so be it. If you were here daily ranting about Obamas every move and lie maybe you'd see things differently. But you weren't, you and a few gimmicks here seem hell bent on holding Trump to some ivory tower standard that has never applied to a demoncrat president. As far as partisan bullshit, look within yourself.

[Agnostic007]

Can't speak for the others, but if pointing out the hypocrisy from you leftists is denying facts, then so be it. If you were here daily ranting about Obamas every move and lie maybe you'd see things differently. But you weren't, you and a few gimmicks here seem hell bent on holding Trump to some ivory tower standard that has never applied to a demoncrat president. As far as partisan bullshit, look within yourself.

"You leftists"... sad!

[mazrim]

Can't speak for the others, but if pointing out the hypocrisy from you leftists is denying facts, then so be it. If you were here daily ranting about Obamas every move and lie maybe you'd see things differently. But you weren't, you and a few gimmicks here seem hell bent on holding Trump to some ivory tower standard that has never applied to a demoncrat president. As far as partisan bullshit, look within yourself.

Yep, pretty much sums it up. Very hypocritical. Have to be consistent and they have demonstrated that they are not. Just still constant defense for that guy (Obama). No problem calling out Trump if you apply the same standard to others as well.

[chaos]

No problem calling out Trump if you apply the same standard to others as well.

This.
The inconsistencies are astounding and when you point it out, they (leftist demoncrats) get even more defensive and start attacking you for bringing up the past. Yet they spent 8 years blaming Bush for every Obama failure.

[Dos Equis]

I'm a fan of the truth, I have no patience for partisan bullshit and you and a few others are really pushing that limit. Facts are irrelevant.. it's all about what is partisan for the republicans... gets old

Sherif and Soul have lost all credibility. They are Republican shills. You and Dos Equis are quickly approaching that.   I's not that we don't agree, its that facts don't seem to matter to you guys.

Uh oh.  Anytime a liberal shill says I'm losing credibility, I better start watching my Ps and Qs. 

[Board_SHERIF]

They make up their own facts, their own reality, and that is where they live. Just like Trump.  If facts don't line up with that reality, then its fake news, or a conspiracy, or the deep state, or Hillary, or Obama, blah, blah.

Says the CNN brainwashed zombie