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Re: Dayton Ohio Mass shooting 08-04-19: 9 killed, 27 injured — Ohio
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2019, 01:08:08 PM »
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“The gunman's sister, 22-year-old Megan Betts, was among those killed. Another 27 people were injured.”
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Re: Dayton Ohio Mass shooting 08-04-19: 9 killed, 27 injured — Ohio
« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2019, 01:08:42 PM »
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“The gunman's sister, 22-year-old Megan Betts, was among those killed. Another 27 people were injured.”

Her and her boyfriend were found shot dead in a car after the shootings.

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Re: More mass shootings than days in the year
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2019, 01:18:26 PM »
Picking up another AR later this week.
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Re: More mass shootings than days in the year
« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2019, 01:29:51 PM »
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Re: More mass shootings than days in the year
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2019, 02:29:42 PM »
Over 41 million abortions worldwide in 2018.....

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Re: A bunch of people just died. Let’s light candles.
« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2019, 02:30:23 PM »
Take the shooter and light a big candle under him.

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Re: Dayton Ohio Mass shooting 08-04-19: 9 killed, 27 injured — Ohio
« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2019, 05:01:10 PM »
This one will fade away or change into something else soon. The shooter was a leftist with incel characteristics, that hated, yet loved guns for his own use -

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/ .

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/ .


The twitter outrage is slowing down as we speak.

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Re: Dayton Ohio Mass shooting 08-04-19: 9 killed, 27 injured — Ohio
« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2019, 05:34:07 PM »
This one will fade away or change into something else soon. The shooter was a leftist with incel characteristics, that hated, yet loved guns for his own use -

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/ .

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/ .


The twitter outrage is slowing down as we speak.

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Connor Betts: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know – Heavy.com

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts/

On social media, the suspect’s biography started to emerge. On his Twitter page, reviewed by Heavy, he described himself as “he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / i’m going to hell and i’m not coming back.” He wrote on Twitter that he would happily vote for Democrat Elizabeth Warren, praised Satan, was upset about the 2016 presidential election results, and added, “I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding.”

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Re: Dayton Ohio Mass shooting 08-04-19: 9 killed, 27 injured — Ohio
« Reply #33 on: August 04, 2019, 05:40:27 PM »
"Dayton 24/7 Now spoke with other classmates of Betts' who said he was expelled from school after officials found a notebook where he reportedly wrote a list of people who he wanted to rape, kill and skin their bodies. The classmate we spoke with said Betts was supposed to write a letter of apology to the people on the list. After being expelled, Betts was allowed back to school, according to the classmate. The classmate added Betts was not a loner, but had friends."

https://dayton247now.com/news/local/dayton-police-fbi-on-scene-in-bellbrook-neighborhood-related-to-oregon-district-shooting .

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Re: More mass shootings than days in the year
« Reply #34 on: August 04, 2019, 06:43:02 PM »
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Pointing out how small a percentage is is not a good argument.

AIDS kills more or less the same amount of people a year in the U.S. Should we stop caring about AIDS given how small the percentage is?

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Re: More mass shootings than days in the year
« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2019, 08:07:24 PM »
Pointing out how small a percentage is is not a good argument.

AIDS kills more or less the same amount of people a year in the U.S. Should we stop caring about AIDS given how small the percentage is?


No, but it does illustrate that it isn't as big a problem for the general population as it is made out to be. Suicides will happen regardless. Accidents are unfortunate, but about 500 fatal accidents amongst a gun owning population of 145-150 million is nothing.

Now the 14,600 or so real murders that are left over is an interesting number. An educated guess is probably 40% + of the rest were involved in street life or crime (mostly drug or gang activity) that directly contributed to their death.

For instance, this guy was a drug dealer that killed 2 different girls, but when he got killed a few years later, he was worthy of a memorial as a victim of gun violence - http://gunmemorial.org/2019/01/07/jerodd-watkins . These sad murder stories are filled with similar when you really start to dig.


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Re: Dayton Ohio Mass shooting 08-04-19: 9 killed, 27 injured — Ohio
« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2019, 08:28:10 PM »
Gonna move to a desert island and fish all day.  8)

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Re: More mass shootings than days in the year
« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2019, 08:43:01 PM »
No, but it does illustrate that it isn't as big a problem for the general population as it is made out to be. Suicides will happen regardless. Accidents are unfortunate, but about 500 fatal accidents amongst a gun owning population of 145-150 million is nothing.

Now the 14,600 or so real murders that are left over is an interesting number. An educated guess is probably 40% + of the rest were involved in street life or crime (mostly drug or gang activity) that directly contributed to their death.

For instance, this guy was a drug dealer that killed 2 different girls, but when he got killed a few years later, he was worthy of a memorial as a victim of gun violence - http://gunmemorial.org/2019/01/07/jerodd-watkins . These sad murder stories are filled with similar when you really start to dig.



Again, the percentage/rate of people dying is irrelevant. What's important here is in absolute terms, not relative terms.

3000 people died at 9/11. Just a tiny fraction of the U.S. population (0.001%). Should we care about the % or about how many people actually died?

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Re: More mass shootings than days in the year
« Reply #40 on: August 04, 2019, 09:01:40 PM »
Again, the percentage/rate of people dying is irrelevant. What's important here is in absolute terms, not relative terms.

3000 people died at 9/11. Just a tiny fraction of the U.S. population (0.001%). Should we care about the % or about how many people actually died?


Should we care? Sure. But I don't think the % is enough to start limiting rights. Nor do I think it will have an effect on anything. There's 400,000,000+ firearms in the US, the horse is out of the barn. And any further regulation will just lead to a black market or a change in methods.



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Re: More mass shootings than days in the year
« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2019, 09:09:19 PM »
Should we stop caring about AIDS given how small the percentage is?

Yes.

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Re: Dayton Ohio Mass shooting 08-04-19: 9 killed, 27 injured — Ohio
« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2019, 02:36:43 AM »
On social media, the suspect’s biography started to emerge. On his Twitter page, reviewed by Heavy, he described himself as “he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / i’m going to hell and i’m not coming back.”

Anyone who puts their gender pronouns on their twitter bio is mentally ill.

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Re: More mass shootings than days in the year
« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2019, 02:38:41 AM »
Should we care? Sure. But I don't think the % is enough to start limiting rights. Nor do I think it will have an effect on anything. There's 400,000,000+ firearms in the US, the horse is out of the barn. And any further regulation will just lead to a black market or a change in methods.



Yes, and just like during prohibition that black market would make organized criminal organizations grow exponentially.

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Re: More mass shootings than days in the year
« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2019, 03:29:14 AM »
Yes, and just like during prohibition that black market would make organized criminal organizations grow exponentially.

This is what people don’t get. There are side effects to regulations that are usually worse than the disease.

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Re: More mass shootings than days in the year
« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2019, 06:04:32 AM »
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And out of the 14k, how many are gang or drug related?  How many are actually just innocent people that are in the wrong place at the wrong time?  I'm sure that number is way way lower.

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Re: More mass shootings than days in the year
« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2019, 06:15:20 AM »
And out of the 14k, how many are gang or drug related?  How many are actually just innocent people that are in the wrong place at the wrong time?  I'm sure that number is way way lower.

I just did a little research and Northeastern University pretty much considers any incident with a certain number of deaths to be a mass shooting. They even consider domestic dispute/family killings to be mass shootings.

"Four mass shootings happened in public places so far this year, compared with 10 in 2018 and seven in 2017. But 2019 saw a big increase in the number of mass killings in domestic disputes, helping to keep this year’s overall numbers similar to past years. There have been 10 family mass killings this year; there were 10 during all of 2017."

If you take out domestic violence, gang and drug related deaths (as you said), the number substantially drops. Interestingly enough, Stanford  Mass Shootings of America (MSA) data project considers mass shootings to be "The definition of mass shooting used for the Stanford database is 3 or more shooting victims (not necessarily fatalities), not including the shooter. The shooting must not be identifiably gang, drug, or organized crime related." In that sense, Stanford would still identify a family mass shooting (domestic dispute) as a mass killing.

Clearly, there is no one definition, but it seems disingenuous to subsume mass shootings under organized crime or gang related activity. I mean, it's clear that 10 mobsters killing each other over territory is much different than some random person walking into a public place and killing random people.
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Re: Dayton Ohio Mass shooting 08-04-19: 9 killed, 27 injured — Ohio
« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2019, 06:20:30 AM »
Here's something interesting from Mother Jones magazine of all places -

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/ .

It removes drug and gang shootings from the equation, and you are left with about 8 random mass killings for 2019 to date. Also it's starting to cut across racial lines more and more rather than being a strictly white thing.

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Re: More mass shootings than days in the year
« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2019, 01:54:53 PM »
This is what people don’t get. There are side effects to regulations that are usually worse than the disease.

Unintended consequences.  I'm not sure when most Americans decided that the government could solve all their problems but they are very wrong.

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Re: Dayton Ohio Mass shooting 08-04-19: 9 killed, 27 injured — Ohio
« Reply #49 on: August 05, 2019, 02:00:26 PM »
Dumb fuck dosent even know what he says anymore.

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