Hugo Girard [Strongman] vs Patrick Côté [UFC Fighter] - Boxing Match?

[Matt]

Huh?  I spoke French fluently until age 20, but I must have forgotten enough of it to not quite understand what is happening here.

What's up with this fight?  Was there any truth to this at all, or was it purely for show?

Sorry if this is a stupid question.  I figure these are just two Quebec City athletes going at it for charity or something...but is this remotely real?  Or just some WWE-style performances, done purely for show?

[Darren Avey]

Lifting weights automatically gives fighting ability

[Matt]

Lifting weights automatically gives fighting ability

I probably asked you this already [actually, I'm sure I have, lol], but:

Is there any amount of size and strength that would overcome a world level fighter?

Say for example...Brian Shaw versus any 125-lb champion fighter?  Is it an absolute consensus that any 125-lb champion fighter would beat the most massive strongman in the world?  Even if there is a height difference of close to 1.5 feet, and a weight difference of over 300-lb?

[Darren Avey]

I probably asked you this already [actually, I'm sure I have, lol], but:

Is there any amount of size and strength that would overcome a world level fighter?

Say for example...Brian Shaw versus any 125-lb champion fighter?  Is it an absolute consensus that any 125-lb champion fighter would beat the most massive strongman in the world?  Even if there is a height difference of close to 1.5 feet, and a weight difference of over 300-lb?

Yes that level of difference of course.  But the average prick who thinks hes hard cos he bench presses a bit and has pumped up arms isnt automatically a good fighter

[Matt]

Yes that level of difference of course.  But the average prick who thinks hes hard cos he bench presses a bit and has pumped up arms isnt automatically a good fighter

Interesting.

Right now, the best combat sportsman in my city [Thunder Bay, Canada] is likely Ronnie Bingham.

There might be a video of him going the distance with the 250-lb wrestler [whatever weight class is around there, because that's how heavy Ronnie was] who placed #8 in the 2016 Olympics.

I asked Ronnie if Canada's Strongest Man JF Caron [currently 9x CSM winner, which is INSANE, and #4 in the world as of present-day, 2010] would give Georges St-Pierre any challenge at all.

He said that GSP would have some trouble with JF's size...although he didn't elaborate.

My assumption is that weighing 325-lb at 6'4" would make it difficult for GSP to take down JF.  Even a tiny bit of take-down defense would help JF defend in such circumstances.

Aside from that though...I'd be curious to see a fight like that.

Of course we have seen this sort of thing before, and the combat sportsman always ends up winning...but I don't know...it's like I don't believe it on some level, lol.  As if that much size and strength just MUST give some advantage that would lead to the W.

That being said, I was interested in what you said in response to my question.  I wish the UFC would allow fights like this to happen.  Like what they did with CM Punk - I think normal people would be interested in seeing how certain people do against trained fighters.

The problem is - if all the fights end so quickly the way that CM Punk's fight ended, then people would get bored quickly...and you could only bring out Brian Shaw so many times to lose to a welterweight [or whatever sized fighter] before people started getting bored.

I'm reminded of the old Pride days where 5'11" and 180-lb fighters would be matched against 5'10" and 270-lb fighters, and in some cases - the much smaller fighter would win!

[Darren Avey]

I wish .Martyn Ford would stop TALKING about fighting and fight.

[joswift]

Yes that level of difference of course.  But the average prick who thinks hes hard cos he bench presses a bit and has pumped up arms isnt automatically a good fighter

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2439394849651843

[jude2]

At least Hugo didn't run out of gas.

[Mitch]

At least Hugo didn't run out of gas.

He's no Koklyaev.

[Darren Avey]

But as we all know
The child is a king the Carol a sing the old is past there's a new beginning

[keanu]

Hugo is just punching with his arms there. No legs, hips, nothing. Train him for a few months and things could be different. Patrick is laughing at his punches there.

[che]

Hugo is just punching with his arms there. No legs, hips, nothing.

You use your arms for punching,  your legs for kicking  and  hips for dancing , I hope this helps

[Matt]

Hugo is just punching with his arms there. No legs, hips, nothing. Train him for a few months and things could be different. Patrick is laughing at his punches there.

Discuss this further please.

Patrick Cote is a well-rounded MMA fighter, and not a specialist boxer.

My guess/suspicion is that Cote would still lay waste to Girard in a pure boxing match.

I think this match was set up through shared sponsor of both athletes, XPN - I believe it's a French Canadian nutrition giant whose empire is headquartered in Quebec City, Quebec; the safest major city in Canada, which has a 95% White [French Canadian] population, and only has around two murders per year.

But racial diversity is sooooo awesome!!!  

Anyway, my question is:

I realize that Patrick Cote would lay waste to Hugo Girard in an MMA fight, but would Cote be equally dominant against Girard in a pure boxing match? 🥊

[Matt]

Here is some evidence that bodybuilders could lay waste to professional heavyweight boxers in pure boxing matches, to reign victorious as the undisputed, undefeated heavyweight boxing champion of the world.

With respect to a hypothetical Chris Cormier vs. Mike Tyson boxing match [I put Cormier on the "A" side, for good - and OBVIOUS - reason], it is beyond clear who would win that fight.  All I can say is this:

ALWAYS BET ON BLACK.

[Matt]

Yet MORE undisputed, undefeated proof that professional bodybuilders can absolutely DESTROY professional boxers in a pure boxing match, due to the one giant strength that they have over boxers - pure physical strength.

Let's assess this scenario honestly please:

Envision 33-year-old Mike Tyson on October 22nd, 1999 at the Mandalay Bay Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, one day before his NO CONTEST fight against Hebrew boxer and Hebrew MMA fighter SUGA Rashad Evans lookalike Orlin Norris.  The 177.8 cm Mike has a smoking hot 25-year-old Hebrew woman hanging off his arm.  The 179.1 cm Ebony Mountain of Muscle™ and Mr. Olympia champion Ronnie Coleman walks by, with his vein-based, jacked arms hanging out of his 3XL tank top.

Who do you realistically think the smoking hot young Hebrew woman thinks is more likely to be able to protect her?  The 215-lb / 10% body fat Tyson, or the 250-lb / 3.5% body fat Coleman, with 22.5" arms and 30" thighs?

[keanu]

Discuss this further please.

The power from punches comes from your legs, hips, and much less from the shoulders and arms. How far would a shot put go if you don't put much focus on activating your legs, hips, core? I see big guys hitting the heavy bags in the gym all the time and they barely move it. Patrick was cautious initially but lost respect for Hugo after the pillow punches. Cote carried Hugo for this charity match. Hugo is very slow.

[Matt]

The power from punches comes from your legs, hips, and much less from the shoulders and arms. How far would a shot put go if you don't put much focus on activating your legs, hips, core? I see big guys hitting the heavy bags in the gym all the time and they barely move it. Patrick was cautious initially but lost respect for Hugo after the pillow punches. Cote carried Hugo for this charity match. Hugo is very slow.

Interesting...

Regarding the initial caution on behalf of Patrick Cote that you speak of, do you think Hugo's size and strength made Patrick legitimately cautious at first, or do you just mean intelligently cautious in the way that Georges St-Pierre wasn't before the Matt Serra fight?

[it's never a good idea to underestimate anyone at the world level, even a journeyman - GSP overestimated Matt Hughes, and lost, then underestimated Matt Serra, and lost]

After all, Hugo is massive, and still very strong, years after his World's Strongest Man contest days...he has a puncher's chance, right?  So was that all you meant about Patrick being cautious...or do you think he may have had any significant concern?

I'm only wondering because it's a huge weight disparity, so I'm curious if you thought the cautiousness you mentioned on behalf of Patrick was actually strong, or if it was just intelligent fight initiating on his part, to feel out his opponent.

I did a YouTube search for more on this match, and watched the weigh-in video: Hugo weighed 327-lb for this bout, and Patrick weighed 228-lb.  A 99-lb weight disparity!

Although I'm not sure if size is an advantage after 240-lb or so.  Either way, I'm curious to hear your views on this.

I wasn't really sure what this match was, and it didn't look quite real enough or quite fake enough for me to make a good judgment on it - and, I hate to say it but, my French isn't good enough these days to have gathered more information about it.  I lost my French fluency from the Canadian French immersion program since I stopped speaking French regularly in 2002, at age 20. 

I'm looking into it on YouTube now, to see what this match was about [video below - and there are more like it on YT].  Cool stuff.  As I said, Hugo Girard and Patrick Cote both have a shared sponsor - XPN.  I think Hugo may even have a hand in the financial backing of XPN.  Georges St-Pierre is also sponsored by XPN.  As I mentioned above, it is a Quebec-based French Canadian nutrition empire.

[Matt]

More evidence that size and sheer physical strength beat skill and tactics all day, every night:

[yes - I'm joking about all this, in case my autistic humour is lost on anyone following this thread  ]