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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2020, 02:36:45 AM »
In some cases certainly people would be better off not getting any treatment... But what would you do? You got a small chance of complete success, Versus a guaranteed slow decline..

I'd take the chance.

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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2020, 02:41:53 AM »
About a month ago my 92 year old grandmother died from cancer... She was recieving no treatment whatsoever.

The cancer slowly creeps into body systems affecting the way they function, she slowly lost energy and weight, (over the course of two years)  eventually she developed cancerous fluid on the lungs as the cancer spread into these regions, this caused breathing difficulty, which caused greater fatigue...

Shortly after she could no longer get out of bed or function, at this point she was done and stopped eating and drinking in an effort to die sooner, she lasted about two more weeks before dying.

Towards the end there is a lot of pain, I think this is pretty standard. They just pump you with morphine to numb it as best they can and you become more and more out of it.


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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2020, 03:16:15 AM »


He was asking the professor in this video how long he had to live, and a few months later the professor dies from a bad reaction to a vaccine.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/11/health/yellow-fever-vaccination-martin-gore-death-gbr-scli-intl/index.html

Shit that's crazy... One in 10 million they reckon, those stats make you wonder.

We know WHO can't be trusted..

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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2020, 05:06:56 AM »
How does a guy who is looking that well and speaking that well actually end up being filled with tumors and on the verge of death?  Meanwhile, there are 350-lb people who are 75 years old.
There aren't very many 350lb 75 year old's.

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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2020, 06:23:13 AM »


5 months later



4 days later


Look at his awesome chest tat n sholder tat the type of bro unfortunatly let other men mark him
And with doctors even more so. If i had cancer i wouldnt be sitting around letting it win
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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2020, 06:25:38 AM »
careful what you say Marty..

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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2020, 05:28:43 PM »
RIP to that fella.......I`m personally doing great thus far.............knock on wood!!

Cancer is some scary stuff.

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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2020, 05:36:17 PM »
careful what you say Marty..
No u be careful and not be fooled psychologicaly by someone thats possibly been fooled

You dont just get sick without efforts to get better unless your head isnt wired correctly
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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2020, 03:57:27 AM »
I often wonder this about my dad and if he had have been around a bit longer had he never got diagnose, he was unwell and not quite right but no impact on his day to day life was still doing the odd job erecting a fence and lifting and relaying a driveway, once he diagnose he went downhill rapidly and lived only 5 weeks from diagnosis once they start treatment.

In your dad's case, I wonder if it was toxicity of the treatment that caused his rapid decline in health, or if his mental state took away his will to live, or if it was some combination.

I can't speak for chemotherapy, but it's almost a cliché at this point that the chemotherapy drugs themselves are worse for some people than the actual cancer is.  On the mental aspect of being diagnosed with cancer, I wonder if a diagnosis becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy for a lot of people, and with that - if people just quit on life.  Basically being defeated, and allowing cancer to overtake and defeat them as a result of a mindset that they are going to die anyway.  I wrote "a lot" of people rather than "some", because it seems to me that people are pretty negative regarding health matters that they feel they have no control of - Covid-19 has made me see that.

I'm sure that it's an oversimplification to say that negative mindset results in people diagnosed with cancer dying faster, but I suspect that a lot of people do adopt a negative mindset upon diagnosis, and that some portion of those people end up dying sooner than they otherwise would have, because of it.

When I look around at all the people worried about Covid-19 right now while I literally could not care less than I currently do about this virus - and HOPE I get it, so that my immune system can kick its ass, and I can help human beings develop herd immunity against it - it just makes me wonder how much of our health outcomes are impacted by negative mental states.

I see numerous people who are extremely overweight or who smoke cigarettes [or both] who are wearing masks.  These people are so scared of a virus that they have little to no control over ultimately getting, yet don't seem concerned about matters of health that are very much within their control to improve upon [i.e., lose weight by reducing calories, or reducing or quitting cigarette smoking].

Mel Gibson was on Joe Rogan in early 2018, when his dad was 99 [literally seven months before his dad turned 100 - and his dad only died this past May, three months shy of his 102nd birthday].  One thing Mel said on the JRE podcast was that when his dad went to get treatment in Panama, the doctor couldn't believe that he was 92 years old and not on any medications.  When he asked how that was possible, Mel's dad said "I never go to doctors."

It just makes me wonder...if things are going well, and you aren't in any severe pain, does it even BENEFIT us to find out that we have the small start of cancer growth?  Or some minor blood pressure issue that we end up getting medicated over, with a medication that may well cause any number of other side effects or problems?  I think in my case, I would just fall into a pit of hope and despair, and immediately become defeated, and let the cancer beat me.  Meanwhile, if I just don't go to doctors from now on, but continue to exercise and eat a low calorie healthy diet and live an excellent lifestyle, I will probably be fine - without going to a dark place in my mind where I think I'm going to rapidly go downhill and die, much the way you explained how things went for your dad.

I don't know...it's just a thought...but let's just say that while modern Western medical care technology does benefit a lot of people, I think that with things like cancer, so much of it is, sadly, genetic, and I am confident that some people would have been better off if they simply didn't even find out they had cancer at all.  But who knows...maybe I'm way off here.  I guess the bottom line is, human beings have not managed to beat cancer yet, and that's just the way it is.

Here is the video with Mel Gibson, talking about his father and the stem cell treatment he got in Panama when he was 92 [I think in 2011].  He lived almost a full decade after that, only passing away last May - so looks like he picked the right time to seek medical treatment.  :)


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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2020, 04:45:23 AM »
In your dad's case, I wonder if it was toxicity of the treatment that caused his rapid decline in health, or if his mental state took away his will to live, or if it was some combination.

I can't speak for chemotherapy, but it's almost a cliché at this point that the chemotherapy drugs themselves are worse for some people than the actual cancer is.  On the mental aspect of being diagnosed with cancer, I wonder if a diagnosis becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy for a lot of people, and with that - if people just quit on life.  Basically being defeated, and allowing cancer to overtake and defeat them as a result of a mindset that they are going to die anyway.  I wrote "a lot" of people rather than "some", because it seems to me that people are pretty negative regarding health matters that they feel they have no control of - Covid-19 has made me see that.

I'm sure that it's an oversimplification to say that negative mindset results in people diagnosed with cancer dying faster, but I suspect that a lot of people do adopt a negative mindset upon diagnosis, and that some portion of those people end up dying sooner than they otherwise would have, because of it.

When I look around at all the people worried about Covid-19 right now while I literally could not care less than I currently do about this virus - and HOPE I get it, so that my immune system can kick its ass, and I can help human beings develop herd immunity against it - it just makes me wonder how much of our health outcomes are impacted by negative mental states.

I see numerous people who are extremely overweight or who smoke cigarettes [or both] who are wearing masks.  These people are so scared of a virus that they have little to no control over ultimately getting, yet don't seem concerned about matters of health that are very much within their control to improve upon [i.e., lose weight by reducing calories, or reducing or quitting cigarette smoking].

Mel Gibson was on Joe Rogan in early 2018, when his dad was 99 [literally seven months before his dad turned 100 - and his dad only died this past May, three months shy of his 102nd birthday].  One thing Mel said on the JRE podcast was that when his dad went to get treatment in Panama, the doctor couldn't believe that he was 92 years old and not on any medications.  When he asked how that was possible, Mel's dad said "I never go to doctors."

It just makes me wonder...if things are going well, and you aren't in any severe pain, does it even BENEFIT us to find out that we have the small start of cancer growth?  Or some minor blood pressure issue that we end up getting medicated over, with a medication that may well cause any number of other side effects or problems?  I think in my case, I would just fall into a pit of hope and despair, and immediately become defeated, and let the cancer beat me.  Meanwhile, if I just don't go to doctors from now on, but continue to exercise and eat a low calorie healthy diet and live an excellent lifestyle, I will probably be fine - without going to a dark place in my mind where I think I'm going to rapidly go downhill and die, much the way you explained how things went for your dad.

I don't know...it's just a thought...but let's just say that while modern Western medical care technology does benefit a lot of people, I think that with things like cancer, so much of it is, sadly, genetic, and I am confident that some people would have been better off if they simply didn't even find out they had cancer at all.  But who knows...maybe I'm way off here.  I guess the bottom line is, human beings have not managed to beat cancer yet, and that's just the way it is.

Here is the video with Mel Gibson, talking about his father and the stem cell treatment he got in Panama when he was 92 [I think in 2011].  He lived almost a full decade after that, only passing away last May - so looks like he picked the right time to seek medical treatment.  :)



Have wondered the same think mate perhaps like you say a bit of both, he was proud man and didn’t want to be seen weak/sick and likley just wanted to die quickly once he knew what was up

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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2020, 04:58:16 AM »
4 days later



A million clicks on his post-mortem upload, he will smile in heaven... ::)

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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2020, 12:52:13 PM »
cancer = $$$

When u see how a person on chemo looks like, you know deep down this treatment is f*cked up.

what choice do they have? 

my aunt had breast cancer and bone cancer, doctor initially said she could live another 6 years but she didn't want to take her medication as she thought that is what killed people with cancer

she only lived 14 months

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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2020, 05:21:20 PM »


5 months later



4 days later



I watch these videos when i dont want to work out. They remind me every day is a blessing and should not be wasted.

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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2020, 06:21:46 PM »
No guarantees in life. Sometimes you get the shaft sometimes the elevator.
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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2020, 06:39:39 PM »
In some cases certainly people would be better off not getting any treatment... But what would you do? You got a small chance of complete success, Versus a guaranteed slow decline..

I'd take the chance.

The thing is chemo destroys your immune system which is in theory your best.bet to fight the cancer. They say your body produces cancer cells all the time and your body recognizes them and kills them. The presumption then is that during periods of stress which weaken the immune system a few cancer cells might slip the guard and multiply so rapidly that your body no longer has the ability to kill them all and you have cancer.

I have witnessed first hand cancer patients coming to my clinic (when i did medical billing) and let me tell you they looked dead already. Im not sure i would go for chemo personally. If surgery and radiation arent good enough its probably God saying its time to go. Thats just my personal opinion.

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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2020, 07:46:01 PM »
In your dad's case, I wonder if it was toxicity of the treatment that caused his rapid decline in health, or if his mental state took away his will to live, or if it was some combination.

I can't speak for chemotherapy, but it's almost a cliché at this point that the chemotherapy drugs themselves are worse for some people than the actual cancer is.  On the mental aspect of being diagnosed with cancer, I wonder if a diagnosis becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy for a lot of people, and with that - if people just quit on life.  Basically being defeated, and allowing cancer to overtake and defeat them as a result of a mindset that they are going to die anyway.  I wrote "a lot" of people rather than "some", because it seems to me that people are pretty negative regarding health matters that they feel they have no control of - Covid-19 has made me see that.

I'm sure that it's an oversimplification to say that negative mindset results in people diagnosed with cancer dying faster, but I suspect that a lot of people do adopt a negative mindset upon diagnosis, and that some portion of those people end up dying sooner than they otherwise would have, because of it.

When I look around at all the people worried about Covid-19 right now while I literally could not care less than I currently do about this virus - and HOPE I get it, so that my immune system can kick its ass, and I can help human beings develop herd immunity against it - it just makes me wonder how much of our health outcomes are impacted by negative mental states.

I see numerous people who are extremely overweight or who smoke cigarettes [or both] who are wearing masks.  These people are so scared of a virus that they have little to no control over ultimately getting, yet don't seem concerned about matters of health that are very much within their control to improve upon [i.e., lose weight by reducing calories, or reducing or quitting cigarette smoking].

Mel Gibson was on Joe Rogan in early 2018, when his dad was 99 [literally seven months before his dad turned 100 - and his dad only died this past May, three months shy of his 102nd birthday].  One thing Mel said on the JRE podcast was that when his dad went to get treatment in Panama, the doctor couldn't believe that he was 92 years old and not on any medications.  When he asked how that was possible, Mel's dad said "I never go to doctors."

It just makes me wonder...if things are going well, and you aren't in any severe pain, does it even BENEFIT us to find out that we have the small start of cancer growth?  Or some minor blood pressure issue that we end up getting medicated over, with a medication that may well cause any number of other side effects or problems?  I think in my case, I would just fall into a pit of hope and despair, and immediately become defeated, and let the cancer beat me.  Meanwhile, if I just don't go to doctors from now on, but continue to exercise and eat a low calorie healthy diet and live an excellent lifestyle, I will probably be fine - without going to a dark place in my mind where I think I'm going to rapidly go downhill and die, much the way you explained how things went for your dad.

I don't know...it's just a thought...but let's just say that while modern Western medical care technology does benefit a lot of people, I think that with things like cancer, so much of it is, sadly, genetic, and I am confident that some people would have been better off if they simply didn't even find out they had cancer at all.  But who knows...maybe I'm way off here.  I guess the bottom line is, human beings have not managed to beat cancer yet, and that's just the way it is.

Here is the video with Mel Gibson, talking about his father and the stem cell treatment he got in Panama when he was 92 [I think in 2011].  He lived almost a full decade after that, only passing away last May - so looks like he picked the right time to seek medical treatment.  :)



I’d say mental state.it’s as if you hear you have cancer and your brain breaks and everything else follows.I’ve seen it multiple times and I know of a guy who wasn’t diagnosed for many years and drs said he prob had it for 10+ years then heard he had it and died a few months later.The C word is so powerful.Not saying it’s that way for everyone but I’d say some people die from breaking from hearing it.Anyways horrible disease and I feel sorry for those who have had it and dealt with it in anyway.


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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2020, 02:15:29 AM »
I’d say mental state.it’s as if you hear you have cancer and your brain breaks and everything else follows.I’ve seen it multiple times and I know of a guy who wasn’t diagnosed for many years and drs said he prob had it for 10+ years then heard he had it and died a few months later.The C word is so powerful.Not saying it’s that way for everyone but I’d say some people die from breaking from hearing it.Anyways horrible disease and I feel sorry for those who have had it and dealt with it in anyway.

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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2020, 06:32:36 AM »
I learned a lot on this thread. People who die from cancer wouldn't die if they were strong minded, ate to keep their weight up and exercised more when given the cancer prognosis.  The getbig cancer fix.  I hope everyone that has cancer would avoid death by reading this thread. 

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Re: Youtuber gets diagnosed with terminal cancer
« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2020, 11:29:00 AM »
I learned a lot on this thread. People who die from cancer wouldn't die if they were strong minded, ate to keep their weight up and exercised more when given the cancer prognosis.  The getbig cancer fix.  I hope everyone that has cancer would avoid death by reading this thread.
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