Romano's NOVICE steroid cycle

[joswift]

I have to admit I don't have much of a plan, when I feel like "cruising" I do something like this for awhile. One a day or every other day works too. For replacement 10mg of Test E might be enough to put numbers at top of the range according to blood work on forums, so this is kind of like a mild cycle even though the dosages of the other compounds may seem ridiculously low.

Have you tried Trestolone? It's an interesting compound, very  potent per milligram. Just 1mg a day is enough to cause infertility for many according to studies and since it's quite androgenic reseachers think it might be a good compound to use as a male contraceptive, you wouldn't need added testosterone for physiological functions.
Bodybuilders use a few hundred mg a week and some feel it's the best steroid ever made, maybe even better than tren.
I have only played with microdoses so far.

doesnt it get you aggitated and edgy?

[Van_Bilderass]

doesnt it get you aggitated and edgy?

That's what they say. I guess due to the androgenicity it stimulates the nervous system, like tren. Increased sympathetic tone.
At low doses this may be felt as a positive uplifting effect. Many say they feel great on it, others like Jordan Peters say they can't use it at all due anxiety, even at 10mg a day I think he said. One effect many report is an heart rate increase of 10 beats per minute. Happened to a friend of mine too.

[youandme]

500mg test/wk + 20mg/ed Dianabol was the standard recommended beginning powerlifting or heavy track and field dose in the 70's*. By the 80's, it became 500mg - 750mg test/wk + 50mg/ed of Anadrol or Dianabol depending on which your stomach could handle. Then it became #750 - 1000mg test, plus the same oral recommendation.

By the 2000's, it became very close to what Romano's recommending, plus the orals. I'd personally go with the the 70's rec.

As much as I'd like to shit on Romano, he's being conservative there. It's pretty close to what people have considered a hardcore beginner's stack for the last 20 years or so.

Every year the boys get bigger, and the stacks get larger.

Agreed. 2000s that was basically the numbers run for “novice” I remember doing 1000 week of QV test and ballooning up. 

[honest]

That's what they say. I guess due to the androgenicity it stimulates the nervous system, like tren. Increased sympathetic tone.
At low doses this may be felt as a positive uplifting effect. Many say they feel great on it, others like Jordan Peters say they can't use it at all due anxiety, even at 10mg a day I think he said. One effect many report is an heart rate increase of 10 beats per minute. Happened to a friend of mine too.

I get the heart rate increase if i use 2iu HGH a day, makes sense having a higher resting heart rate as i lose body fat when on it, but at 50 i want my heart rate lower rather than higher i walk around at 62 on 100mgs test per week trt around 58 and 4 kilos lighter who not on trt. I stopped using the hgh for anti agin due to the higher heart rate, i might do a 3 month cycle each year to just keep the stubborn fat areas mobile.

I avoid all sarms as most guys who do TRT feel sarms is harder on the body, interesting the heart rate observation.

[OlympiaGym]

GH turns me into a sponge even at low doses; to the point where it becomes uncomfortable. I wish it didn’t. The bloat is bad for the heart among other things.

Also, big difference between dosing pharma and UGL test.

[Vince B]

Pure Flotsam broscience. Very sad to read.

[Van_Bilderass]

Pure Flotsam broscience. Very sad to read.

Yes sometimes there is no established hard science available. Even in unrelated medicine doctors do things on a hunch. So what exactly is your problem? I bet you Mike Israetel runs cycles exactly like suggested here, based on broscience.

[Vince B]

Yes sometimes there is no established hard science available. Even in unrelated medicine doctors do things on a hunch. So what exactly is your problem? I bet you Mike Israetel runs cycles exactly like suggested here, based on broscience.

You guys who use and endorse bodybuilding drugs are lunatics foolish.

[joswift]

You guys who use and endorse bodybuilding drugs are lunatics.

what would you call someone who takes photos of young girls on the beach without their permission?

[Griffith]

I get the heart rate increase if i use 2iu HGH a day, makes sense having a higher resting heart rate as i lose body fat when on it, but at 50 i want my heart rate lower rather than higher i walk around at 62 on 100mgs test per week trt around 58 and 4 kilos lighter who not on trt. I stopped using the hgh for anti agin due to the higher heart rate, i might do a 3 month cycle each year to just keep the stubborn fat areas mobile.

I avoid all sarms as most guys who do TRT feel sarms is harder on the body, interesting the heart rate observation.

I have only used SARMS.

RAD-140 and Ostarine.

And also MK-677 and Cardarine.

[Stephano]

I have only used SARMS.

RAD-140 and Ostarine.

And also MK-677 and Cardarine.

I cruise on 250mg/week test right now, and cycle SARMs in and out.  Feels like the "healthiest" long-term option, and RAD-140 + Test is very good.

[Van_Bilderass]

I get the heart rate increase if i use 2iu HGH a day, makes sense having a higher resting heart rate as i lose body fat when on it, but at 50 i want my heart rate lower rather than higher i walk around at 62 on 100mgs test per week trt around 58 and 4 kilos lighter who not on trt. I stopped using the hgh for anti agin due to the higher heart rate, i might do a 3 month cycle each year to just keep the stubborn fat areas mobile.

I avoid all sarms as most guys who do TRT feel sarms is harder on the body, interesting the heart rate observation.

I'm not recommending it necessarily but there has been an increase in beta-blocker use in our community, for the sake of heart health. Some are doing them to counter HR increase from GH as well as the other stuff.
One strategy might be to use a mild dose after your daily training in the evening, since as you say the heart rate increase as well as general beta-agonism help fat loss. So at night you take some to "come down". Might reduce the chance of developing LVH.

Beta agonists can also help anxiety, maybe not just the physical manifestations of high adrenalin and sympathetic tone per se but some beta blockers cross the blood brain barrier and have effects on the brain.

[Tom]

ME thinks at my age (mid 50's) i'm going to stick with the test boosters and just eat healthy... i figure as long as i work out as hard as i can at my age, i'll still be ahead of 90% of the population, even more for those around my age....


yeah, who doesn't want to be a big muscle mofo, but i'm about health and longevity and anti-aging too if not more so...

all those "male clinics" and "vitality clinics" as i've stated previously, what do they actually know? are they actual doctors who are EXPERTS in the field of male issues much less building muscle as one matures? perhaps they are just salesmen with needles? seriously, how does anyone (me) know they know what they are doing?..

[Taffin]

ME thinks at my age (mid 50's) i'm going to stick with the test boosters and just eat healthy... i figure as long as i work out as hard as i can at my age, i'll still be ahead of 90% of the population, even more for those around my age....


yeah, who doesn't want to be a big muscle mofo, but i'm about health and longevity and anti-aging too if not more so...

all those "male clinics" and "vitality clinics" as i've stated previously, what do they actually know? are they actual doctors who are EXPERTS in the field of male issues much less building muscle as one matures? perhaps they are just salesmen with needles? seriously, how does anyone (me) know they know what they are doing?..

Ask GetBig - it's full of PhD's 

[TheShape.]

You guys who use and endorse bodybuilding drugs are lunatics foolish.

Aren’t you a former Dianabol user VINCE?

[honest]

I'm not recommending it necessarily but there has been an increase in beta-blocker use in our community, for the sake of heart health. Some are doing them to counter HR increase from GH as well as the other stuff.
One strategy might be to use a mild dose after your daily training in the evening, since as you say the heart rate increase as well as general beta-agonism help fat loss. So at night you take some to "come down". Might reduce the chance of developing LVH.

Beta agonists can also help anxiety, maybe not just the physical manifestations of high adrenalin and sympathetic tone per se but some beta blockers cross the blood brain barrier and have effects on the brain.

Will general health the priority might just not use GH again or when i do will consider your advice, but appreciate the insight.